thanx, she wouldnt keep it in the nest either, so it prob died from cold. she only had 3, 2 died, but its her first litter. i did think about using a heat lamp but thought that might not be a good idea, it tends to make them wander more, then they dont get fed anyway. he had such good markings, so really frustrating. will get some kitten milk, never thought of that. thanx