Author Topic: the veggie plot.  (Read 257991 times)

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #135 on: March 06, 2008, 08:29:52 am »
Mind you, Linz, you're not that far from the old anthrax pits...

Fluffywelshsheep

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Near Stirling, Central Scotland
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2008, 11:56:45 am »
lol where be that then?
linz
« Last Edit: March 06, 2008, 12:32:22 pm by Fluffywelshsheep »

rustyme

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Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #137 on: March 06, 2008, 04:45:24 pm »
DONE !!! dug the last of the plot today...no graveyards or plague pits  ;) ;) ::) just lots of stones. Anyway  , it is, at last done ......What a relief. Obviously, there is loads of work still to do , like weeding and getting all the grass out , but that is nothing compared to the DIGGING , which I hate doing, ( think I may have said that before?)  :D :D.  I found some more spuds today too ...enough for a dinner or two, but I left them down there , not to worry , tomorrow will do .   I am going to have to make a stone mountain somewhere ( what a div ?...all mountains are stone !!!!) ,as there is so much stone lifted already and LOADS more to sort out . I would guess at at least 50 or so trips , so thats 100 3 gallon buckets. I do not fancy shifting all that in one go, up the hill . Just do the odd couple of buckets here and there when I fell fit..(er that would be never)...sooo , just the odd couple when I have to ...lol.

Fluffywelshsheep

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Near Stirling, Central Scotland
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #138 on: March 06, 2008, 06:20:26 pm »
good keep up the good work
I did a little work today but it was tired from driving to Falkirk and back in the dark as well (some people might think so what, but am not long been driving and i find it very tiring this to drive).

I put the last of the cardboard on the bottom of the raised beds and filled it up with 'shop' bought compost (mine is no way ready, i think they are placed in the wrong place at the moment but will be move them soon just before it get really warm for them to start breathing, lol.
Then got a email on saying more cardboard was available, Just need the wood now to do some more raised beds. I think there is room for 3/4 more  in the area (am a little limited at the moment waiting for hubby to put the divider fence up then i can start the herb garden) As soon as the fence goes up i can put the nearest ones out.

Went in to lidls and found that they still had some of the gardening things which i wanted from before so bought them also bought some fence paint to paint the fence a nice dark brown, It look the same colour as my hair on the tin lol.

Also bought some leeks seed today so i can start them, I must have a look in the seed box to see what seed i can put on in the areas.

linz






rustyme

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Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #139 on: March 06, 2008, 06:45:33 pm »
well done Linz,
               sounds like you were very busy . Driving is tiring if you aren't used to it , very much so if driving in heavy traffic . With regard to the raised beds , If you are using soil based composts to fill them that will be fine , but if you are using peat based or even home made compost , made from organic stuff such as waste veg and grass ,paper , cardboard and so on , then this type of compost will just disappear as the plants use up the nutrients and the process of decomposition continues ! Therefore after say 6 months to a year , you won't have anything to plant in !!! You will need some real soil ,otherwise,a very deep pocket to buy lots of bags of compost . Have you already thought of this ?

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #140 on: March 06, 2008, 07:05:21 pm »
Hi, Linz

the anthrax pits were where the Tullis site used to be - it was originally built as a tannery. It may, of course, be urban myth but I don't think so.

Fluffywelshsheep

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Near Stirling, Central Scotland
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #141 on: March 06, 2008, 07:20:39 pm »
i belive it was a myth I am on the understanding that it is being sold off as building land for new house
It a wee bit from me,I would class that as the centre and we are at the bottom end of tullibody
not far from here

taken from here http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteredin/1500443301/in/photostream/

Guy

  • Joined Feb 2008
  • East Devon
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #142 on: March 06, 2008, 09:31:11 pm »
rosemary - anthrax pits ??? i dread to think what is in my area!!

linz - thats great , bet you cant wait to get planting?

Russ - what can i say - well done , what a sense of achievment for you - i guess youll have nothing to do now!!! :Dlol - only joking. - just think - if you did create a "stone mountain" in eons to come with shifting continents , tectonic movementetc. etc. there could be another "Russ" digging them all up again , and if you are one for re-incarnation , it could be you again aaarrrrrghhhh!!!!!! :D 
relax and enjoy life - let others do the worrying

rustyme

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Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2008, 12:22:21 am »
cheers Guy,
              yes , it really feels good to have reached the end of digging on the plot. Oh how I wish there was nothing more to do  ::) The thought of digging all the stone again oh god...think I would rather go drown myself IN carnation...lol.    Next,  is  a day or two off from digging now , plenty of other stuff to do instead. Not really sure what I will get stuck into now , but it nearly all involves more bloody digging .....but at least,  not the veggie plot bit.

stephen

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Kent
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #144 on: March 07, 2008, 09:32:32 am »
Russ- just a thought dont you have a horse?? why not try using the horse to pull a plow? may be a rediculous idea as i have no experience of horses whatsoever! but if the horse can pull a plow then surley it can also pull a trailer full of your stones? just an idea to save you breaking ya back!!!!

well done linz all sounds v.exciting! im using pots at the moment but already have a raised bed veg garden planned out in my head and cant wait until i can attempt to make it a reality!!!!

some advice - am i right in the thinking that cats 'presents' are toxic to plants and dogs are fine? or are they both fine or toxic????

 ;D


Guy

  • Joined Feb 2008
  • East Devon
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2008, 10:04:19 am »
you get more surreal with each passing day Russ - well done!!! :D

stephen - good luck with the raised beds - ive just put mine together (8 new ones)  surprisingly not as easy as  i had thought!!( well no real surprise then  :D) i now have to  start turning the ground and filling them - hurrah for the mantis!) with regards to presents - im not sure how welcome either would be in the veg. garden - (especially as my dog leaves elephant style gifts :o) i thought it was something to do with them being meat eaters??? whereas horses etc. have only vegetation??probably way off the mark - so excuse my ignorance everyone.
relax and enjoy life - let others do the worrying

Fluffywelshsheep

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Near Stirling, Central Scotland
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:09 am »
some advice - am i right in the thinking that cats 'presents' are toxic to plants and dogs are fine? or are they both fine or toxic????
Dog urine can discolour grass etc not sure about cats

but I have no idea about toxic but parasites are something to be concern about

ok it is that way run only if  you know if the dogs hasn't got worms

Generally because cats are 'wild' the owner hasn't got a say on what they eat and not everyone worms them and they can travel a bit of a distance to go on the hunt they can pick up any thing.

Where as dogs on the other had are 'normally' indoors or stay in a closed compound etc so can't eat anything which can cause problems and owner and a tentancy to worm dogs more than cats

Hope this helps

rustyme

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Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2008, 11:26:14 am »
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000480/
 
the above link should explain the problem far better than I ever could.  The other problem is things such as heavy metals in fresh er presents.....humans manure is the same . To leave any fresh dog or cat manure on flower or veg beds , would, for working purposes, be very unpleasant, for obvious reasons. So the best thing would be to compost any cat/dog manure ,well, and then only use it on non food areas if possible.  It does depend on what the animals eat to an extent, but any manure even human can be used ,as long as it is well composted. The best way to do that would be compost as normal ,with as much other material as possible and then when that is all completely changed to compost and the worms ( thats the banded type 'Tiger' worms not earth worms ) have worked their way through it , you should be able to use it ok .You can set up a wormery very easily and bypass the ordinary compost heap stage , if time were a problem .
           On the subject of horses , yes you are right Stephen, I have 3, well 1 horse and 2 ponies. The idea of getting the big horse was to use her for work . However , she was my first horse and teaching a horse to plough isn't that straight forward. You would ,really, as a rule use 2 horses to plough with , as it is a very hard thing for them to do . The plough itself weighs as much as a man . Another problem is the cost of all the gear ( all the leatherwork etc) is very high , far to much for me to get new . I have now , just about got most of what I need , even the plough , and it remains for me to now teach my big horse to work .She is a good learner but as with all things time is the killer. I do have a very big tractor (100 HP 2-4 wheel drive) thats one of the really big type. I don't however have a tractor plough ....lol. The other thing is with the veggie plot being comparatively small , the tractor just would not be feasible , and even the horse only just . It is all to do with headland , turn round space at each end of the ploughed furrow. The tractor would be ok for shifting the stone in summer, it would kill the land in winter, but I don't have a trailer for it yet . The horse would shift it too , but I hit the problem of working gear/tack again and a wagon to pull .  So .... until I get everything needed the only thing to do is get a good fork and spade and get dirty.
 
 cheers

Russ

stephen

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Kent
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2008, 11:29:39 am »
ive seen a cat / dog composter type thing (big hole in ground chuck in magic powder stuff and it dissapears??)  but not one big enough to accomodate our needs! just wondered if it would be ok to put the 'presents' on the flower beds, i could eat veg grown in horse manure but not cat or dog for some odd reason!

i think its only the female wee that discolours grass.... something to do with different hormones or summat!

just thought insted of throwing away bin bags full of the stuff (we breed cats so have lots and have 3 dogs now!) i could use it on the garden!

i introduced my new puppy to the garden this morning (ie this is where you poo and wee not on my floor!) she is the same size as the other dogs 'presents' lol she diddnt take the hint tho.... weed on my bed while i was getting dressed!! couldnt tell her off tho, she tried to hide it!

im assuming parrot droppings inc, seed shells, millet and sand paper sheets are ok to put in the garden???

 ;D

stephen

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Kent
Re: the veggie plot.
« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2008, 11:34:43 am »
Cheers russ - think ill keep chucking the presents away as we havent the space for a compost heap at the mo! i suppose in effect it would be a human / cat / dog composting toilet idea! although i dont think id be able to do human!

haddnt thought about all the bits and bobs you would need for the horse / plough idea! good luck teaching him / her when the time comes!! would love to see some pics!

 

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