[sausagesandcash]

I sure am glad my wife and I choose not to let our kids get this vaccine in school

http://www.independent.ie/health/swine-flu/gps-must-return-flu-vaccine-over-narcolepsy-fears-2607513.html

[HappyHippy]

Phew, me too !
I remember the look of indignation on the nurses face when I said they weren't having it, they made me feel like the worst mum in the world. I'm so glad I went with my gut and stood my ground 
Always knew I was cynical for a good reason 

[deepinthewoods]

my ex caught swine flu early january, we went bowlin one evening for my dauhters bday, next mornin she was 999 ambulance straiht to isolation in itu, one week lter she was put in an induced coma on full life support and given less than 50 50 chance of pulling through. on the ward were six other people in induced coma, one had been under for 6 weeks. myself and my dauhter had had the jab, she hadnt, as my dauhter has cerebral palsy i doubt she would have made it ad she got the swine flu. my ex is still recoverin now.  swine flu is a killer, its very hard to treat and articles like the one above are just scaremongering,  read what it says at the end...
 
''GPs are told in the HSE directive that while there has been an increase in narcolepsy in Finland and Sweden, it has not been noted in all countries using Pandemrix.

"No increase has been seen in the United Kingdom, which also used Pandemrix," the briefing document noted.

The European Centre for Disease Control is undertaking a study in nine European countries, with the results expected by July this year.

"The European Medicines Agency has stated that no definitive conclusions can be drawn until further studies are completed and has therefore not recommended any changes to the marketing authorisation for Pandemrix," it said.


Here, the Health Protection Surveillance Centre will now work with the IMB to examine data available on narcolepsy in Ireland.

"In summary, there has been conflicting data emerging in relation to narcolepsy and the situation is as yet unclear," the HSE told Irish doctors.
''
ifyou feel that the risk of contracting narcolepsy from the jab is scarier than swine flu think again. ill have the jab next yr and so will my ex.

[robert waddell]

the big negative is it is last years swine flu that they work from this current year will be different

[doganjo]

All influenza viruses mutate, so any vaccination is guesswork, albeit educated.

[AengusOg]

The thing about catching flu is the virus enters the body through the respiratory system. This gives the body plenty of warning that it is coming and the immune system responds naturally.

Introducing a virus through the skin, and directly into an unprepared body, can cause problems with the immune system's response.

Neither of my sons have had Swine Flu jags (jabs?!?), nor have they had MMR. The medical people take exception to that and do treat us as clueless parents if the subject comes up.

[RUSTYME]

scaremongering, AGAIN !!!
ye gods.... the 'fact' remains ...yes FACT !!! that 475 approx, people died of swine flu officially in the UK  . If you look at all the information that was about , most of those died from 'other ' causes , ie , they had underlying health issues !!! (remember we were told over and over again, that it was fit and healthy people between the age of 18 and 50 that were at most risk , that people with reduced immune systems were at much less risk )
 Take into account that government figures state that between 6,000 and 12,000 people die every year from seasonal flu , ( the number fluctuates dependent on how much seasonal flu vaccine they need to get shot of ) .  Also take into account that the main man who invented the seasonal flu vaccine , actually said himself that it does NOT  do what the government says it does . He says that you would be better off buying anti virals at the chemist . It was never intended to do what the government says it will , that is from the man that invented the bloody thing.
 Now they have added the swine flu vaccine to it . A vaccine that was in fact patented nearly 2 years BEFORE the swine flu outbreak !!!
So we have government and WHO scaremongering , telling us that 700,000 may die of swine flu in the UK , upon it's outbreak . Where upon the actual figures were about 5%, after 2years.
 Then we have Tamiflu etc ... read the little bit of paper that tells you about all the things that can go wrong if you take it !!! it is worse than bloody swine flu !!! ( I actually investigated the cause of death of about 250 people that died from 'swine flu' ?? and 185 of the ones I could get, died of symptoms identical to that of Tamiflu related problems you figure it out !! )
 For those that believe the outright lies the government and WHO push out , and have the jab ... good luck to you , but remember the government figures that stated that 80% of frontline health workers DIDN'T have the vaccine , nor did the head of WHO !!! I wonder why ?

cheers

Russ

[deepinthewoods]

just out of interest does anyone on here vaccinate their livestock?
would anyone on here accept the smallpox jab for their kids or themselves? or polio or bcg?

[shetlandpaul]

no one has had the smallpox jab in the last 30+ years. ive had the flu jab and one daughter the wife had it the year before. its a nasty bug and has put lot of folks in hospital. lots are not tested so those death stats are wrong.

[ballingall]

Neither of my sons have had Swine Flu jags (jabs?!?), nor have they had MMR. The medical people take exception to that and do treat us as clueless parents if the subject comes up.

Swine Flu is one thing- MMR is quite another. So your children are not vaccinated against measles?

I agree with what deepinthewoods is saying- so why do we bother to vaccinate any of our animals if we do not use any vaccines ourselves? Surely if you want to take the risk for yourselves, or for your children then you would be happy for your animals to have that same risk?


Beth

[deepinthewoods]

and it is one thing to smugly say 'phew, i didnt put myself at risk by having that new vaccine' and quite another to cynicaly watch a loved one fight for their life cos they didnt have it. i know what i would choose havin been there, watchin someone dream in  coma is not nice. as for 80% of frontline staff not having taken the jab, get real. r u tellin me that the amazing hospital staff who saved numerous lives and dealt with numerouse cases of swine flu day in and day out, every day, for their living, didnt have the jab, i dont think so.
 now im off to feed my vaccinated chickens, cats, dog, daughter and then maybe me!!

[gavo]

My wife is a Nurse on a medical ward; she and many of her colleagues nurses /doctors declined the jab BUT as the medics/nurses said they have met so many viruses etc that  if they don't have a wide range of immunity then no one will they didn't feel they were at much risk.

[RUSTYME]

the stated  death stats of 475 for the UK  are government figures , backed up by WHO figures !!! and we know they don't lie ...don't we ?
 When people die in the UK do they not need to put a reason for death on the certificate? or do they lie again ?
 As for not being tested for swine flu , was that not for the general infection rate assessment of the populous during the 'pandemic' ?(that in fact never was a pandemic !!! they changed the rules to make it one !! ) .
 The 80% non take up of the vaccine by frontline health workers, was government figures again , so get real yourself , or just read what the government actually said itself . If people want the jab let them have it .. it remains that any vaccine given for swine flu will be out of date and virtually useless by the time it is given to the patient as the virus would have mutated into a different form ...again this was stated by the head of the UK medical team ..Dr Anderson? ,can't remember his name now , and that was the man pushing for everyone to have the jab !!! .   But the whole debacle was a cock up from  start to finish . With just about every other statement from the government contradicting the one before .  

cheers

Russ

[ambriel]

Over the course of my 40-odd years on this amazing planet I've been given any number of different vaccines and I'm still here to tell about it.

Some of them I had to check in my passports for:

Polio, tetanus, diphtheria, MMR, tuberculosis, yellow fever, cholera, several types of hepatitis, rabies, typhoid, encephalitis, meningitis, pneumococcal pneumonia, swine flu, and countless seasonal flus.

Do I get a prize?

[deepinthewoods]

ok some facts.
 1 if you or a loved one is gonna die from a disease, you will take any treatment available.
 2  vaccination has saved millions if not billions of lives.
3  evolution takes multiple generations to develop an effective antibody, at the ultimate cost of lives
4 medical science, whilst not perfect is the best chance weve got.
5 the really scary thing is, that the more insular your life is, the more at risk you are.

all the staff on the itu ward i spent every day at had been vaccinated despite the quarantined environment.

as i said b4 you choose to be vaccinated or not, if you are in a position of responsibility for your kids then bl..dy well get it done.

and if you dont get the vaccine, and then get swine flu, then do us all a favour and refuse to be treated in the hope that youll be the lucky bug..r who develops the immunity that saves the rest of us.