could be too much creep, the farm I get them from put them all in with a shepherdess( well the student does, the owner and wife are unfortunatly in hospital, that's why I have 20), creep and hay and I don't think he'd had much to eat for most of his short life, he can't get the creep now I thought he'd be better off without it, he is stretching a bit now when he gets up but spends most of his time lay down. I'll ask the vet what he thinks.