[kevkev57]

The US bill passed on 21st Dec , 2010 by a large majority is perhaps one of the most disturbing bills in modern times.

S510 according to its doubters will pave the way for corporate giants to take over the food chain. I have read s510 , all of it. To me it is if Monsanto wrote it or at least advised on it.

The bill is vast in its scope, and as you would imagine has raised a passionate argument. Whatever the rights and wrongs are of this bill, you all need to spend a little time googling into it.   " Well its in America not the UK " I hear some of you say. Quite, but what happens over the otherside of the pond usually gets washed up on our shores.

S510 is here now, its not a nut job theory or some sad youtubers thoughts from his bedroom. S510 has been passed and is will be  signed off by Obama shortly.

It is my opinion that this orchestrated control of the food chain and everything within the chain is a tool for the American gov to manipulate what they eat, whats put in it and ultimately through price control, how much or indeed how little they eat. Make no mistake about it, America will become a third world country this decade perhaps a lot quicker.  Their debt is so high it is impossible to pay back. It is only propped up by the petrol dollar. once the dollar is replaced by another currency for oil purchase, the dollar will collapse.


Anyway back to S510.  Here in a nutshell are some concerns about it.

Control Over What We Eat

The new bill gives companies such as Monsanto the power to monopolize US seed, food supplements, food and farming. It puts US food and farms under the Department of Homeland Security. It ends US sovereignty over its own food supply. It would also allow the government to mandate antibiotics, hormones, slaughterhouse waste, pesticides and genetically modified organisms.

Canadian Health whistleblower Dr. Shiv Chopra warns, “If accepted it would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God.”

Read more at Suite101: Bill S510: Ultimate Government Control Over What We Eat http://www.suite101.com/content/bill-s510-ultimate-government-control-over-what-we-eat-a315321#ixzz1AoMcECI0

Kevin

[faith0504]

god bless the americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    (not)

[Rosemary]

God save the Americans. I bet most have no idea this is happening. So no more shooting for the pot? Maybe they'll tackle the gun laws next 

[northfifeduckling]

EU is not much better - just a bit behind
www.herbsociety.org.uk/mh-legislation.htm

I'm sure they'll get inspired by the US.
government is god 

[sausagesandcash]

Every country should set up a natural seed bank. Fecking corrupt politicians should be ....

[bazzais]

I believe the bill has been withdraw because of concerns such as the ones you have raised, though I am sure it will return in a similar format.

Ta

Barry

[RUSTYME]

if you look into the reasons of the iraq war  , you see that Saddam Hussein was in fact about to stop using the dollar for oil sales , and 'that ' was the reason for invading Iraq. It would have brought down the USA , the only thing that is keeping them afloat is the dollar is the reserve currency of the world although the USA is in fact bankrupt .
Well now it is China who are bailing out of the dollar and getting ready to use another currency to deal in as the reserve currency, Germany and I think it was France as well , were in talks together with China, about that only a few weeks ago . The only thing that halted the dollar collapse was the Euro hitting the rocks at the wrong moment in time.
China are dropping the dollar and changing all their holdings into other currencies very slowly , so they don't cause a run and therefore lose their monetary value.
Nothing the USA can do about this , other than declare war on China , and China would kick their arse now days , so they won't be doing that directly . But, have you seen what America is doing with N+S Korea ? The only way the USA can avoid going down the pan is WW3 .
 On the subject of Bill S510 , I haven't looked at whether or not it is still being supported , been busy here , but I will look later . However , on the same subject really , have a look at Codex Alimentarius , very scary indeed ;
 http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html
Whatever happens , gone are the days when you can just sit back and think "oh those naughty MP's " " they are terrible" " what's on telly tonight" , if people don't prepare to support and feed themselves , they are in for a very tough time , if indeed they make it through at all .
This is not scaremongering , we are in very dangerous times now , look at what is going on in the world !!! mayhem !!! If you don't/won't see what is about to happen , so be it , no skin of my nose . But just look at your food bill every week how it goes up , a few p on just about every item . One or two suppliers stop supplying and all hell can break loose . Russia has already banned the sale of wheat to other countries , that's why the cost of flour went up a few weeks ago , it will go up even more .
 This year will see the effects of the government cuts hitting home ... many people will be losing their jobs , 500,000 public sector jobs alone , 450,000 small businesses will go under due to new EU rules and regs , and all the time less benefits will be available and more tax will be demanded for less services .
It is beginning to hit the fan NOW . THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH !!! well maybe not the end of the world ....but the end of LIFE AS WE KNOW IT JIM ....eh what ? whos' JIM ...oh right .. JIM SLOG .... Captain Slog yeah yeah yeah ...

cheers

Russ

[northfifeduckling]

I was depressed when I was 17 about the state of things - don't want to go there again    Now I just try lo live my life here with my veg and my birds  but I do worry what kind of world my kids will have to live in, I really do...

[kevkev57]

Hi Barry, it passed the senate on a vote 30/11.  Shame.

Kevin

[Bright Raven]

The development of termination seeds are in progress. These plants when grown will not produce fertile seeds.
The department of plant sciences in Cambridge is now run by Dr David Coomes.
He is a very interesting chap.
Other interesting information can be found if you google Codex Alimentarius.

[Bright Raven]

Russ, I think we are on the same trip.....  via the House of the Red Shields.

[RUSTYME]

 lol... sadly not many are though ... most think 'everything will be fine ' by the time they realize that things are really going wrong, and there isn't enough food to live on , it will be too late for them to do anything about it .
 I am trying , at the moment, to get confirmation of a comment by a Defra employee,  who said that FEMA are over here actually training Defra people how to , move store and record ,  contaminated human bodies .
Contaminated with what ?
Why would Defra be handling them ?
How many are we talking about ?
Is it even happening ?

 The comment I read was ;
 "My smallholding is next to a larger farm ,....we had a visit by DEFRA ,...having a little look about ,i made one of them a brew ,and started to chat after he saw my book collection he started to tell me that in the last year ,...members of FEMA have been training defra employees in the correct way to move ,store and record contaminated human remains ,.,.,....."
 

As you can imagine it isn't something that Defra will answer " oh yes we are training at the moment, for mass genocide" , so it is a matter of finding out who was the Defra person that said it , and then finding out if FEMA are over here training Defra .
It may be that the comment wasn't actually made , but I will find out yeah or nay .... It wouldn't surprise me though if it were true .

cheers

Russ

 

[Bright Raven]

Where is the logical place for FEMA camps? Rural farms with room for mass burial.

[bazzais]

I fear that 'corporate giants' are already in control of the food chain already - its just seems the natural progression of a free and capitalistic system and its inevitably going to get worse as companies get bigger and bigger and gain more leverage.

As for GM foods I can see the pros and cons (although I hedge my bets with the safest option of no GM at present or at least the safest here as a person with a full belly)

Imagine what positives could be attained by a GM crop that could grow in areas where famine and droughts are killing millions?  Imagine a GM crop that could produce twice the yield without the need for fertilisers or crop spraying? Yes seeds grown can often not be replanted, but this a failsafe to stop the spread/cross contamination of GM crops?

-- Or is producing sterile seeds just a means of tieing farmers to buy every year straight from the manufacturer? By killing certain parasites will we upset the balance of nature on a wider scale?  Are we just using the third world as an area to trial our own GM experiments because it doesnt matter about any problems?

Only advanced science and further research will give us the answers - we cant ignore that food shortages as the population grows is going to be a major problem for us as a species.

Is it justified for us to sit back and say 'I can grow my own food because I am lucky enough to have land, but you cant have access to a scientific resolution to your food (or lack of) production you poor starving people'

Are multinational companies even concerned about solving third world or food shortage problems or are they just doing it for the extra dividends for shareholders and big yachts for the boys?

One thing for sure is that research into GM is going to continue and I also believe that legitimate research is the right thing to do.



It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there was a contingency plan for the mass burial of humans in most 'advanced' countries.
Infact I'd be very very surprised if there wasn't.  I'd be disappointed if there was an epidemic and bodies where left in the streets for too long (god touch wood - its a scenario I never want to see outside of watching SKY Movies on the Horror channel)

Baz

[sausagesandcash]

I just try to live my life here with my veg and my birds  but I do worry what kind of world my kids will have to live in, I really do...

You are already making it a slightly better place for them, as indeed are we all. We must, however, make sure that big business does not control governmental policy in our respective European States.