Smallholders Insurance from Greenlands

Author Topic: Pastureland and commerical property  (Read 1914 times)

heritagetraining

  • Joined Nov 2022
Pastureland and commerical property
« on: November 19, 2022, 05:59:47 pm »
Hi every, I'm hoping someone might be able to offer some guidance. I would like to purchase some land and build a structure to run my business from. I run courses in traditional building skills.  I've found a nice plot of pastureland. Its 2acres pasture and 2acres of woodland. We would look to use about 1 acre to build a barn like structure for our courses and use the remaining 1acre of pastureland to put up some pollytunnels. The woodland would remain as is.

The barn would be off grid and we would likely look to building sustainably - strawbale build, cob, lime render etc

I've seen lots of info about getting residential permission and the issues with getting it on pastureland but there isn't much on commercial property. Does anyone have any experience of this?

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: Pastureland and commerical property
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2022, 01:06:22 am »
If the barm were for agricultural use then you'd look at the rules for permitted agricultural building and that would lead you into what permissions you would need to apply for, or whether you would only need to notify your intent, giving the council 2 months to object if they thought you needed to apply for permission.

But you are proposing to take graded agricultural land and use it for another purpose, which would require change of use, i think.  And then the permission for the building relevant to the new categorisation of the land, I assume.

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landroverroy

  • Joined Oct 2010
Re: Pastureland and commerical property
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2022, 08:52:44 pm »
If the barm were for agricultural use then you'd look at the rules for permitted agricultural building and that would lead you into what permissions you would need to apply for, or whether you would only need to notify your intent, giving the council 2 months to object if they thought you needed to apply for permission.

But you are proposing to take graded agricultural land and use it for another purpose, which would require change of use, i think.  And then the permission for the building relevant to the new categorisation of the land, I assume.


There is no permitted development for an agricultural building on holdings of less than 12 acres.


However woodland on the other hand does have PD, with no minimum size. The building just has to be used in connection with maintaining the woodland. You could therefore, using permitted development, build a barn to say - house your equipment, dry the fire wood, fence posts, logs or whatever you could claim to be producing. Look up permitted development for woodlands and work out from that what you could say you need the building for.
Once the building is up, then unless you annoy the neighbours somehow and they report you, it is highly unlikely the planners will investigate the odd building course. If they do, then you can apply for planning for change of use of your building. It is always easier to get change of use for an existing building than to get planning in the first place on a vacant site.


I have done something similar by putting up 2 agricultural buildings on our farm with permitted development (I have more than 12 acres) and then applying for change of use to storage.
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