obviously what i wrote has been quoted elsewhere it should not detract from the fact that the famous five led and motivated by karen has been useful in saving palacerigg my dealings with cooncils(planning commite) meetings when they have been presented with objections to developments it should not be for me to be left with the humane s*^!e to deal with with both the cooncil and sepa unable or unwilling to accept that their decisions have caused inconvenience to others rant over once again congratulations to the famous five on their success