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andywalt

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Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« on: October 25, 2010, 07:46:50 pm »
Hi all,
id like some advise please, Ive brought a small flock of suffock x romney ewes (16) They have been in with a norfolk horn ram with the previous owner and were active in september, they arrived to me on 2nd October, so I would imagine most of them will be in lamb....I am very pleased with them, good condition and very healthy with no problems .the only trouble is I have no inside shelter and I was planning to put my tup in mid November so lambing will be easier in April outside! my question is what chances have I got (apart from worrying about bad weather) with lambing them all outdoors? they are in a couple of acres on a slight hill, that is southfacing and a nice thick hedge and tree line at the top of the hill. Id like your honest answers.

many thanks
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shetlandpaul

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 08:42:25 pm »
depends on the weather. if its mild and dry you will be fine. heavy rain/hail or snow or even bad frosts then your going to have dead lambs. you really need to knock up a shed of some kind even if its a bits of scrap put together. we would have lost a lot of lambs this year if we had kept them out. we lambed at the end of march/early april.

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 09:38:45 pm »
shetlandpaul

do you mean a shelter even if its made out of pallets or do you mean a proper shed with individual lambing pens inside?  I could make a low shelter with pallets and ply attached to give them some dry area, would that be enough?
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andywalt

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 10:08:09 pm »
Has anyone used the lamb macs are they any good?
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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 10:23:25 pm »
Get them scanned so you can see if any are empty, these wont need valuable shelter space, you can also get a good idea if any are having twins or more.  Anything with more than one will most def need shelter and may also need a little extra feed towards the end of pregnancy.

The trouble with an evening shelter you cant stand in is that you may not be able to see clearly any of the behaviour they display before giving birth, like pawing, finding corners, walking in little circles.  You also need quite a bit of space for ventilation whilst still remaining warmish from the muck/straw/bedding on the floor where they lay.  Still though any shelter is shelter and as long as your checking regularly and have extra space to hand for separate pens for newborns as they arrive you'll be ok.  Even if you dont have enough space to bring them all in at night - just check them every few hours until they have all given birth and have pens ready inside for any born on the field.  Most the time you'll spot something about to give birth if you check frequently enough and you can bring them in to do it.

How windy is it by you maybe you could rig up some fence panels with a tarp over if its not exposed to wind?

We also have trouble with space especially as I made hay this year instead of haylage so one barn is full.  Going to be a merry go round - my rams are in for week 5 today going to give them 6 weeks I think - so that six weeks of getting up every three hours at birthing time.  I did hope they all be done in 4, but that was wishful thinking :)


That saying, I know some farmers swear by leaving them out and its survival of the fittest - horses for courses.

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 01:11:29 am »
Lammacs have their pros and cons. If you put them on too soon, the lambs are not dry.  They do come in bright colours so you can spot the lambs easily.  You can also make emergency covers from thick supermarket bags. They can make the difference between losing lambs and them surviving.

I don't know enough about your breeds to be able to say how they will do lambing outside.  I always lamb outside - in April mind - and rarely have problems, but we do have an emergency pen set up in the polytunnel in case lambs are born into a blizzard (there's always one....). Note though that lambing outside definitely does not mean just leaving them to get on with it with no care. 
February is often a relatively mild month and even up here we sometimes get a week or so of grass growth, but last year we were under a couple of feet of snow throughout the month, so you must have at least a contingency plan for bad weather.
We have small shelters dotted around the place.  Some ewes choose to lamb in these and will keep their lambs in for a couple of days.  Others will lamb outside but quickly bring the new lambs into a shelter.  This works well for the first few days, but then when a newly lambing ewe wants to find shelter, they are all full and this is when problems can arise.
Some of our shelters are properly built, as in the one I posted a picture of in a different thread, but others are simpler.  We have one which was thrown up in an emergency but is popular so we have left it.  It is a zigzag of boards, with 4 upright stobs, then more boards nailed on as small triangular roofs, just tall enough for the breed of sheep.  This means that whichever way the wind comes, there is somewhere to shelter.  As well as permanent or semi-permanent shelters, we put old bales around the place, again often in a zigzag, so the lambs can shelter amongst them.  Lambs will also shelter against their mothers who make wonderful windbreaks. The ewes themselves will make good use of the sheltering hedgerow you have.
Really the danger period for lambs is after they are born but before they are suckled - once they have a bellyful of milk they are warm and relatively safe.  The bond is made with the mother and she will look after her lamb.
It would be worth enquiring from the previous owner whether these ewes have previously lambed outdoors, as past experience would be useful. If they have, then you can rely on them to know what they are doing. If they are used to lambing indoors with full assistance then you will need to build lambing pens under cover.  You still have three months to get organised.
 It is not usually useful to start interfering once the ewe has started to lamb outside, trying to move her into a shelter, unless you have a full lambing shed set up with individual pens.  Ewes will usually have sussed out where they want to lamb a few days or weeks in advance.  Some will stick to the plan while others will suddenly have a small panic and move from place to place in case somewhere else is better - they usually end up at their original choice. If you do want to move the ewe and her lambs indoors, it's best to do it once she has cleaned and suckled them, as she will then follow you if you carry her lambs, low down to the ground and preferably bleating for her.
I am anxious about recommending that you just go for it and leave them to themselves to lamb outside.  This is because you yourself are inexperienced, so may not know just when intervention is necessary.  If they are outside and there is a problem, then you need to be able to get the relevant ewe indoors straight away, without chasing her ten times around the paddock. So perhaps you should be prepared to lamb indoors this year and possibly get them scanned as suggested by bazzais. It's still a good idea to have some shelter around for the lambs when they do go out.
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shetlandpaul

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 06:59:20 am »
shetlandpaul

do you mean a shelter even if its made out of pallets or do you mean a proper shed with individual lambing pens inside?  I could make a low shelter with pallets and ply attached to give them some dry area, would that be enough?
any shelter will help. we let them birth out side then grabbed them and brought them in for a couple of days. we let one ewe stay our because she refused to get caught or follow her lambs. we lost one of hers.
as said try making it head high. threexthree will give you an area of 10x10. ply on top. if you feel sheltered inside you have achieved the goal. lastly you need to be able to have a heat lamp. needed if a lamb gets chilled. plus all the first aid and feeding equipment. its easy to interviene too quickly but don't leave it to long.

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2010, 08:12:48 am »
If you can't make a shelter can you bring in a horse box for the duration? mine lamb outside from April onwards but i can and do often bring in a ewe if they look like they are starting late afternoon early evening. this means moving them out of the field across the road into a shelter but prefereable to leaving a ewe lambing in a field in the dark with no way of catching her or seeing her if a problem starts. Most will start to lamb just before or at first light and I am there to bring them in if needed but i don't disturb the ewes once its got dark.
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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2010, 09:26:49 am »
I think Kanisha has a good idea there. You can pick up old horse boxes or trailers, which are not longer road worthy, really quite cheaply, maybe even free. In a horse trailer you would have enough room for perhaps three sections for ewes down one side with a small walkway for you. a horsebox would give you even more room....and maybe even some 'living' area for you, for your long nights on lamb watch!

i know several people in this area who have used old boxes, removed from the chassis, for field shelters. works well!!

It would still mean close observation and rotating around the ewes as they lamb.

The other thing I have got myself is an old calf hutch. this is currently being used for the two porkers. in the spring the hutch will be put into the sheeps field for extra weather protection for the ewes and lambs. A few of those for the postpartum ewes and lambs would help! also some of the in-labour ewes may use them for protection, a board across the door secures the hutch.

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 10:09:00 am »
An essential tool in my lambing kit is one of those extremely powerful torches. They soon get used to it if when you first start going out at night you talk to them as you sweep the beam around.  It mustn't be shone into the eyes, but makes it possible to see even black sheep hiding in far corners of the paddocks. Another thing is a head torch - leaves your hands free for whatever else you have to do.  But mainly I agree with Kanisha that we don't disturb the ewes once they have settled for the night - they tend to 'lager up' ie settle in a group, with new lambs to the inside, protected from any passing marauders.
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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 10:18:04 am »
If you're not in a very exposed, windy position, what about a cheap plastic marquee? You'ld have space enough in there to put up individual pens.
Some companies hire out marquees for lambing (not many March weddings!)

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 10:19:34 am »
i put the rams in in December and lamb easter first week out side fine then cold lost five i only bring in iff there is a problem .the only thing you miss is the Early sales just selling mine naw out off 200 rare breed sheep i had 170 which was good .I'm going embryo  dawpa breed this yere

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2010, 12:22:27 pm »
if febuary of this year was anything to go buy i would not lamb outside as with all the snow about etc we lamb down in a temp field shelter called a dan-cover i think its called best investment we ever bought to a field with no shelter can make 2 pens across and if full up and lamb down at the same time 10-12 maybe more  lengthways we learnt the hard way with lambing outside the 1st year and lost lambs all over the place but since the shelter we lose very minimal amounts of lambs the 1st year out of 12 ewes we lost 80% due to bad weather and using the dog upto the last day.

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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 07:39:47 pm »
what can I say guys.....very much appreciated answers from you all and pllenty for me to be acting on, you have all given me priceless information and I very much thank you all for your time and effort to help me.
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Re: Lambing in february ahhhhgggg
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2010, 09:07:31 pm »
Polytunnel!!!

 

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