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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Lick bucket
« on: December 24, 2019, 09:45:51 pm »
Can anyone recommend a lick bucket that can be used by horses and sheep
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2019, 11:24:35 pm »
Not a bucket, but we use Himalayan rock salt for everyone :)
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2019, 10:21:22 pm »
What are the benefits using the rock salt for sheep
There is some of that in the field (horses don’t belong to me)
Thanks

Buttermilk

  • Joined Jul 2014
Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2019, 07:21:40 am »
If you don't own the horses then do not put out a lick bucket.  When my lot have had access to any they just devour them and sheep would not have a chance of them.  My equines are greedy beggars.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2019, 05:24:22 pm »
Crikey, didn’t realise the horses weren’t yours.  In which case, definitely talk to their owner before putting anything out.  Some of the minerals that are fine for sheep can be toxic to horses.  :o

And licks with molasses in may well be an absolute no-no; they certainly would be for my Fells, they put on weight as soon as look at a grain of sugar  ::)

If you are wanting feed licks for the sheep, rather than just mineral licks, you may need to create a creep area where the horses can’t get at them.

The red Himalayan rock salts contain a huge array of minerals, so depending on what you are wanting from your lick, the salt blocks may well contain everything you want.

Since we started putting them out in all fields, we’ve had far less problems with sheep’s feet.  In fact, I think I haven’t looked at a sheep’s foot for twelve months.  Mind, we also don’t breed from sheep which need their feet looked at - or whose offspring have needed their feet looked at - so we have been doing both things in parallel.

Are you looking to address a specific, known deficiency, or feed in-lamb ewes, or what?
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cow, beef cattle, pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2019, 07:28:59 pm »
You won't get a lick that is nutritionally suitable for both species.  Horses have similar dietary requirements to goats (need a good source of copper) which is toxic to sheep in most locations (there are a few exceptions such as my area where the sheep often get a copper bolus due to tie up by molybdenum resulting in deficiencies).  So if you get a mineral bucket for the sheep, the horses will either ignore it or use it but suffer imbalances that need to be corrected, if you get one for horses, you risk poisoning the sheep!  Best option is to segregate them and/or feed in a way that the other species can't access the wrong lick!
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pharnorth

  • Joined Nov 2013
  • Cambridgeshire
Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2019, 07:37:55 pm »
Unless you have very small horses it should be possible to create a sheep creep area. I tend to create a sheep 'refuge, anyway with a strand of electric tape when they are mixed grazing,  to give them the sheep a safe zone should they feel they want it!

Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2019, 08:43:23 pm »
Unless you have very small horses it should be possible to create a sheep creep area. I tend to create a sheep 'refuge, anyway with a strand of electric tape when they are mixed grazing,  to give them the sheep a safe zone should they feel they want it!

That works to keep the horses away from the sheep bucket, but the bigger risk may be keeping the sheep away from any horse licks...  You can try feeding "up high" for this, but if the licks get knocked down there could be an issue.  It's always a good idea to have some form of refuge for smaller animals to have a safe zone though!  Electric doesn't always work with horses though... once remember a friend of mine trying to restrict grazing for a laminitic Shetland which kept getting into the "big field" with her warmblood.  Eventually someone sat in the corner of the field to watch how the little one was getting out.. only to see the warmblood gingerly picking up the plastic posts to let the shetland underneath then dropping them so they neatly pinged back in place!
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2020, 05:53:19 pm »
Crikey, didn’t realise the horses weren’t yours.  In which case, definitely talk to their owner before putting anything out.  Some of the minerals that are fine for sheep can be toxic to horses.  :o

And licks with molasses in may well be an absolute no-no; they certainly would be for my Fells, they put on weight as soon as look at a grain of sugar  ::)

If you are wanting feed licks for the sheep, rather than just mineral licks, you may need to create a creep area where the horses can’t get at them.

The red Himalayan rock salts contain a huge array of minerals, so depending on what you are wanting from your lick, the salt blocks may well contain everything you want.

Since we started putting them out in all fields, we’ve had far less problems with sheep’s feet.  In fact, I think I haven’t looked at a sheep’s foot for twelve months.  Mind, we also don’t breed from sheep which need their feet looked at - or whose offspring have needed their feet looked at - so we have been doing both things in parallel.

Are you looking to address a specific, known deficiency, or feed in-lamb ewes, or what?


Hi that’s why I haven’t put anything out for them, I wouldn’t put something that could be dangerous to other animals

Also that’s why I asked for advice on here in case anyone had a recommendation

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Lick bucket
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2020, 05:55:14 pm »
You won't get a lick that is nutritionally suitable for both species.  Horses have similar dietary requirements to goats (need a good source of copper) which is toxic to sheep in most locations (there are a few exceptions such as my area where the sheep often get a copper bolus due to tie up by molybdenum resulting in deficiencies).  So if you get a mineral bucket for the sheep, the horses will either ignore it or use it but suffer imbalances that need to be corrected, if you get one for horses, you risk poisoning the sheep!  Best option is to segregate them and/or feed in a way that the other species can't access the wrong lick!
Thanks for the advice

 

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