[john and helen]

what is actually the curtilage of the house..is it the garden…and how big can your garden be, if you have a smallholding ?

the reason for asking is..you don't need planning permission for a static, if its in the curtilage of your house

i think thats right if i have read it correctly

[doganjo]

I(f you are buying now there will be a plan drawn up that has to be lodged with the Registrar.  The outline of that plan shows the curtilege.

[tizaala]

The curtilage of a listed building is normally considered to be the land, buildings and structures which go with or are ancillary to the principal building. Any buildings or structures which formed part of the land associated with, or belonging to, the principal building at the time of listing are considered to be within the 'curtilage' of the listed building and are therefore considered part of it. Buildings or structures that date from after 1st July 1948, and which are unattached to the listed building, are not considered to be curtilage listed.Typically, structures covered by curtilage listing might include: walls, gates, railings, gatehouses, stables, urns, statues, dairies, barns, privies and cart sheds. To demolish, alter or move any such structure, you will need to apply for Listed Building Consent

This is from Stroud district council's definition , If you google it there are several to pick from, Scotland has it's own definition.

[john and helen]

Blimey !! just did a quick google, i guess it all depends on what you buy and where…

the place we are actually buying was at one time a stable barn ( no wonder i feel a little Horse  )

i have been told there will be no problem with getting planning for a static, but there is a time limit of 3 years

I would also like to get permission for a 6mt x 4mt shed, this , apart from being really handy would back up as a animal shelter if the weather turned real bad or!!! if i go into breeding, it could be handy when lambing and the likes

[Marches Farmer]

We have a Grade II farmhouse and within the curtilage there's a Grade II listed barn which had already been converted to a teashop for the open pig farm that was run by the previous owners.  We had to get planning permission to convert it into a holiday cottage and knock through into the adjacent cart shed and pigscots to make an additional bedroom with en suite bathroom.  They are now part of the Grade II barn and so is the yard between the farmhouse and barn, which includes a drystone wall that bordered the cattle yard.  Complicated, eh?

[ellied]

If your stable/barn isn't yet a completed conversion to a house then the curtilage will be listed in the planning permission at a guess, but you would be unlikely to be permitted a static at any great distance across your ancillary land if it's large enough to be considered/registered as agricultural land.  Since it's expected that your purposes is to site the static and put both on the same drainage/power connections it also makes financial sense that way so I imagine planners would be wary of you making effectively services to a second dwelling on the same land..

If you have a holding number for your land, then I would guess your LA has conditions for the erection of agricultural buildings so look that up for your area.  Here you don't always need planning for sole purpose agri buildings, only to notify intent and comply with the various conditions on size, location, local roads/watercourses etc.  I couldn't put up a portal out in the field but I can build or extend a certain amount year on year within the area they consider steading rather than field, as I understand it.  A lambing shed is probably the most likely to meet with no opposition, provided you have your holding number and are actually breeding sheep 

[shygirl]

our garden boundary is clearly marked on the planning permission plans, even though we have 60 odd acres.

[AndynJ]

Hi John, you don't need to fill out a planning application for a static whilst undertaking the works on the barn, just ask for temporary permission they will ask for a sketch of were it's going that's it. Timescales vary in how long you can keep it, down here it's 13 years, as we discussed you can apply for permission to keep the static afterwards for additional housing for your own family again not actually a planning application just a formality, regarding your barn field shelter they are 2 different things and dealt with differently field shelters are easy to get barns not so easy, some land comes with permitted rights though as a minimum you need 8 acres and quite often 10-16 acres although you don't actually have to own the land, so you could rent some land then ask for siting a barn on your own land under the permitted development system.
Do you still think you will be completing around Christmas ?
Don't you want to come and stay in my caravan for the weekend in January, it would give you a taster of what it might be like.

[john and helen]

would love to use your caravan in january, but we are normally camping then… well its cod season  we sit on kayaks fishing on the sea, normally its about -8 but we do have alpaca socks…so nice and warm