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firemansam

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Staffordshire
tup hire, how long
« on: September 06, 2012, 01:40:47 pm »
I have my 1st shepp ariving after the weekend. 6 easycare ewes. I am planning on hiring a tup to run with them, but how long should I need him for with 6 ewes?

shropshire_blue

  • Joined Nov 2011
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Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 02:01:04 pm »
6 minutes  :innocent:

Foobar

  • Joined Mar 2012
  • South Wales
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 02:09:37 pm »
5 to 6 weeks.
(2 x 17days plus a few)


Although the likelyhood is they will all get serviced in the first three weeks, but you want to keep him in for the next cycle to ensure that they all took.

shropshire_blue

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Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 02:35:49 pm »

[edit]Went for lunch mid-typing, and foobar beat me to it[/edit]

Sorry, that wasn't very helpful!

As far as I understand it, a ewe's cycle is 17 days on average.  This means that in any 17 day period it is likely that all your ewes will have come into season once, allowing the tup to get jiggy with them.  We leave the tups in for two cycles (17 days x2 = 34 days) and change the raddle colour in the middle.

You could potentially bring all 6 ewes into season at once by sponging with progesterone, and injecting with crovoject, although the sponges come in packs of 25, so this would be expensive for you.

We recently sponged 25 of ours, and as soon as we opened the gate to let the tups in they had blue bums before we even closed the gate!

So in summary, you probably want to borrow a tup for either 17 or 34 days, and/or use a raddle so you can tell when he has done the deed, and then give him back.  The risk with this is that some of the ewes may not take on the first go.

Hope that helps a bit more...

moony

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Dent
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 03:12:36 pm »
If you are hiring one is agree with the above. 2 cycles for the ewe as they may not take first time. Personally I'd just buy a tup lamb or an aged ram and then sell them 3 months later if you can't keep him.

firemansam

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Staffordshire
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 04:42:24 pm »
Next year I may buy in, trying to keep things simple this year!

Hazelwood Flock

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Dorset.
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 08:27:35 pm »
How many return when sponged?
 
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shropshire_blue

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Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 11:23:20 pm »
How many return when sponged?


So far 2, but we're only 4 days into 2nd cycle.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 11:38:46 pm »
We used to run the tups in the next field to the ewes for a couple of weeks before letting them in, and we'd have 98% (of 530 ewes) take on the first cycle.  Rather less intrusive than sponging, I think - and quite a bit cheaper, provided you have an entire male you can use for the purpose.

You still need to get all the management right as well, of course - right condition, right feeding, right minerals, vitamins, etc.  But we found that suitably 'woken up' girls were ready when the boys went in, just through having had the lads nearby for a while.

It's another option.
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langfauld easycare

  • Joined Apr 2012
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 11:40:50 pm »
i would leave him 35 days , easycare tup would do 100 and be lookin for more . ;) 

firemansam

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Staffordshire
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 09:39:01 am »
As far as getting the girls ready, I have 3 acres split into 2 paddocks. I have been told that this should support 6 ewes and their lambs next spring/summer. So I am hoping for minimal feeding through the winter as the land has been waiting for them and is well grown. The farmer has accidently rolled a nice black round bale down the hill which is now stuck on my land!
I understand there is no exact science in this, but that is where I will learn. I am hopefully starting with the right sheep and small enough! I certainly know very little on the minerals side and would greatly appreciate advice there.

shropshire_blue

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Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 09:50:42 am »
We used to run the tups in the next field to the ewes for a couple of weeks before letting them in, and we'd have 98% (of 530 ewes) take on the first cycle.  Rather less intrusive than sponging, I think - and quite a bit cheaper, provided you have an entire male you can use for the purpose.


Sally I have to say I tend to agree with you there - I'm not sure I'll be sponging again.  We tried it as a bit of an experiment, but they obviously don't like it.

SallyintNorth

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Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 10:35:29 am »
As far as getting the girls ready, I have 3 acres split into 2 paddocks. I have been told that this should support 6 ewes and their lambs next spring/summer. So I am hoping for minimal feeding through the winter as the land has been waiting for them and is well grown. The farmer has accidently rolled a nice black round bale down the hill which is now stuck on my land!
I understand there is no exact science in this, but that is where I will learn. I am hopefully starting with the right sheep and small enough! I certainly know very little on the minerals side and would greatly appreciate advice there.
Hi firemansam  :wave: 

Firstly, on the minerals, your local vet will know what deficiencies you have in your area and will be able to sell you a mineral drench for your 6 girls.  S/he will also advise on how frequently you will need to drench.  You may need to give copper needles or by other means mid-pregnancy - again, your vet will advise you.  Normally they won't charge for a bit of advice over the phone, or over the counter at the dispensary.  (I'd call in and say you want a mineral drench for your 6 ewes but aren't sure what you should be giving them - the counter staff will either know or will bring a vet over to have a short chat with you, I would expect.)

On winter feeding, you may get away with no extra food depending on the winter but I would expect you to need a bit of hay for them after Christmas if not before.  There's very little goodness in the grass by then, and they need a good bit of sustenance in order to grow their lambs.  And you will certainly need hay if the ground gets frozen hard or covered with snow, as it did for weeks at a time in the winters of 2009 and 2010.  When the ground is covered, we offer hay at the rate of 1 small bale of hay between 30 commercial sheep per day, so your 6 would get through a bale in 4-5 days, I would expect.  When they can get at the grass they eat about half that much hay.  Mind, we will be caking by that time too; they'd eat more hay if they weren't getting cake.  Personally I would have at least 3 months' supply in store, so that'd be say 15-20 bales for you.  Any they don't need this year will be fine next year as long as it's kept dry and off the ground.

The bale of silage your neighbour has donated (!) will not be of tremendous use to you, sadly, as once opened it must be eaten up within 3-4 days.  One bale will feed 30-50 sheep for 4 days - or 6 sheep for 4 days with a lot left over you have to get rid of.

Pregnant sheep also need plenty of sugar in their diet in the last 6 weeks of pregnancy, so at that time we feed cake, or you can offer feed blocks instead.  Cake and feed blocks will both have minerals in, too.  Again, I'd see what your vet advises according to your local conditions.

People will tell you to feed by condition - it is important to check their condition regularly, and to up or reduce rations accordingly, but this should be a backup to an appropriate feeding plan.  It takes up to 6 weeks to add a point to a condition score in a pregnant ewe, so finding that all your ewes are a little on the thin side 6 weeks before they lamb isn't very helpful.  Equally, if you find them a little over-fat at that time, you can't start reducing their rations at that stage of pregnancy or they'll have metabolic upsets.

It probably all sounds rather daunting, but it's not, really!  Just get good advice from someone local who knows, and make sure you know what and how to check to be sure everything is going well, and you'll be fine.   :thumbsup:
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firemansam

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Staffordshire
Re: tup hire, how long
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 11:16:48 am »
Thanks Sallyinthenorth

lots of advice there, I hope your fingers a\rent bleeding! How much hay I can expect them to eat per day is particularly helpfull.
Only having 6, and the fact its a hobby I will be scoring them regularly just for the practice. I have a very good relationship with my local vet due to having 5 whippets, as well as all the other house pets (snake, hamster, 3 rabbits,cat, chickens, fish and 3 ferrets).

I am also hoping to catch a local farmer who rents 15 acres up the road with 100 sheep on it, I just need to find out who he is!!!!!!

 

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