[happy larry]

Hi everyone,got a couple of questions if someone could answer please id be grateful.What quantity of 23% micronised peas would i need to ad to 25kg of farmer mixed corn that is about 14 - 15% protein this mix is wheat,barley, sugar beat pellets and a few other ingredients i cant remember.I would like to get the protein up to 20/% for feeding weaners then drop to 16% for finishing
Also this mix contains no minerals so i thought about adding dried sea weed,any suggestions.
I think im gonna open a can of worms with this post regarding lysene, oil seed rape etc,thanks in advance.

[Fowgill Farm]

Larry
You're probably asking on the wrong forum as not many of us home mix on here as we don't keep enuff pigs to warrant it and theres all the red tape(mixing licence) etc to get thro. So i can't help with an answers possibly Robert or Sally will be along shortly as they're 'real' farmers (compared to rest of us who dabble!) who might know.
Mandy 

[Blodders]

The Pearson square is the method for doing these sorts of sums. Explained here http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/livestk/01618.html

By that method, and assuming your mixed corn is 14% crude protein, then you need to add 50kg of peas at 23% protein to give a total of 75kg of feed at 20% protein. That is 2 parts peas to 1 part corn

For the finishing mix that changes to 2parts peas to 7 parts corn or 7.14kg of peas per 25kg corn.

[Fowgill Farm]

See.......told you somebody would know......you only have to ask on TAS! 
Mandy 

[robert waddell]

pigs require a balanced diet  to source all the ingredients that go in pig nuts you would have to buy bulk have the storage facility's that are vermin proof and have the licence to mix home rations     the large commercial producers will be using from 1 ton to over 20 tons per day dependant on there size
if you make a mistake with your rations it is your fault and loss       if the compounders make a mistake you will get compensation
i know every body is wanting cheap feeding  but on a small scale with feeding you will get better results with bought in feed
soya is the usuall ingredient for protein
we have been there with milling barley and trying to source it    being offered stinking rat infested husks and told well i can Sell it to anybody     well go on then it wont be me that is buying it      honestly stick to bought in feed it may dearer but is cheaper in the long run

[happy larry]

Well tas comes up trumps again,thanks all that posted Certainly food for thought,no pun intended .Just to clarify i wont be home mixing it comes pre mixed at £160 per ton,i was just going to add the peas as extra protein,but blodders formula makes it work out the same as grower pellets.With my last litter of saddlebacks  i did feed the mix 50/50 with grower pellets with the carcasses coming back with between 25-28 mil of back fat so not to bad i suppose but would prefer less.The 2 litters im growing on at the moment are saddleback x lop and saddleback x piertrain so fingers crossed these crosses bring leaner carcasses thanks every one that replied.

[robert waddell]

i see where you are going wrong but will check the labels tomorrow
£160 per ton milled and mixed    the current spot price for barley is £155 per ton
feeding a proper pig nut contains all the vitamins and minerals that are necessary to enable the pig to get the best from the feed unless they are adding these which i doubt for that price
i got it in the neck from Mr pig the last time i said that saddelbacks were a fat pig  but they are a traditional pig that was multipurpose to produce lard and meat any pig will layer the fat on with a cereal based diet
there has to be reason why there is such a difference in the price almost half the price of the pig nuts  split your two lots of pigs and feed one lot with the cheap mix and nuts  and feed the other lot on proper pig nuts then see the difference with weights growth and fat level

[robert waddell]

OK had a look at the label    vitamin A+D3+E    lysine copper and selenium   all needed to enablethe pig to grow
your farmer mix contains beet pulp which contains sugar
even although you were feeding pig nuts that do contain the vits and minerals this is being watered down by adding your farmer mix so not as effective as feeding pig nuts only our nuts are 17% protein  bulked out with fruit and veg and brewers mash
cant find the label for the beet pulp nuts that are fed to the sheep   which swell to 5 or 6 times there volume when soaked   that would need to be taken into consideration when feeding to pigs  as a dry feed or wetted  to prevent them getting dehydrated