Author Topic: Rural broadband (aaargh)  (Read 17241 times)

bloomer

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • leslie, fife
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Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2012, 07:54:36 am »
its not just rural areas

well i can see hills and farms but its a bloody big estate so id struggle to describe it as rural. The houses are 6years old.

Broadband being fitted tomorrow at last, predicted speed .5-1.5MB i will wait and see what the final result is!!!


Smalltime

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Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2012, 08:38:19 am »
It is also to do with the lack of any work done on the exchanges. Type 'telephone exchange upgrade' into google if you want to know more. You may qualify for ADSL2+ in your area, which is a more stable, faster connection.

Oh, but hang on...no, no it isn't. See below:


3. Will it benefit me? (Oh the irony)

 ADSL2+ still works very much the same way as ADSL, so your speeds will still depend on many factors such as:

 • The distance from your home to your local telephone exchange (see point 5).
• Quality of the copper phone line.
• Quality of cabling and equipment.
• Demand at peak/off-peak times (traffic).
• Bad weather or EMI (Electromagnetic Interference)

Due to there being so many different possible influences on your connection and speeds, we cannot guarantee that everyone will benefit from BT's rollout scheme of ASDL2+ (21CN). It is possible that you experience no changes at all, although the vast majority of people will at least receive a more stable connection, if not an increase in download speeds.

http://freeola.com/adsl2-21cn-rollout/

In other words, no of course it won't help you because its just the same overloaded bit of copper wire with an upgraded extension at the end of it.
People still seem to think that an alternative provider to BT will give them a better service. Well its the same bit of copper wire, owned by BT, whatever you pay and to whoever - unless you are on wireless internet. Therefore paying more a different provider won't help you.
Also a random snapshot of your current upload/download speed is about as much use a chocolate teapot. Utterly meaningless I am afraid. You will know if you have a bad line, my internet cut out about five times yesterday and thats pretty standard, although I am on it all day. That is the sort of connection problem I am referring too, an ongoing source of maddening frustration.
It makes absolutely no difference where you live, its all about how far you are from the exchange. People presume the distance makes the signal weaker, well marginally but really its more about the amount of people who are using the same line as you, the further you are away from the exchange, the more people will be using the line. That is really the problem but there is no chance of that getting rectified as it costs money.
The whole firm has been appallingly badly run for years. Completely unjustified pay packets at the top, poorly paid and badly trained staff and a mountain of pension liabilities which take the lions share of any profits each year. So, just another British firm really.  :wave: 

Avonline Broadband

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2012, 08:58:19 am »
I've been doing some rural roadshows and someone pointed me to this forum.

Avonline is the UK's leading provider of Next generation satellite broadband.

We can provide a real 10Mbps service ANYWHERE.

Our satellite prices are now very accessible - hardware costs from FREE to £99 depending on package and our 6Mbps service starts is £24.95 a month.

Website (www.toowaybroadband.co.uk) has all details or please feel free to email me directly. Mark

lachlanandmarcus

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2012, 09:56:38 am »
well my o2 contract is up tomorrow, ive found that i could save about £10 monthly by changing isp but having read this thread im staying put, simply because the customer service is so good. thanks guys!

Deepinthewoods - Phone O2 and ask for the price to stay another year.

FIB - you need someone to steal the telephone cable!

Or as happened accidentally here recently, farmer neighbour goes straight through cable when digging out ditch, cable was meant to be not there acc to BT so they had to take the can for it, they found 6 other repaired breaks within 500 metre stretch so replaced the whole stretch and now it doesnt wiggle in its route and we know where it is (still on ground tho...but this time it is at least armoured cable, which it wasnt before...:-O)

The Chicken Lady

  • Joined Mar 2008
  • Cheshire
Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2012, 09:14:41 am »
So has anyone got sat.bb. I am with bt and now am at the end of the road with them. It worked fine - slow but we accepted that where we lived it was the best we could hope for. Now the signal keeps dropping, sometimes for days at a time. This has been ongoing since 24th December. There was a fault on the line which they fixed but it goes off everytime the weather is bad. We have an engineer coming today but of course it is working! The last one that came said that there was nothing he could do. What I don't get is why it was OK before. So this is their last chance. I am looking at satallite broadband. Has anyone any experience with it?




Karen

northfifeduckling

  • Joined Jan 2009
  • Fife
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Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2012, 09:30:17 am »
We use BT for everything, not necess cos they are the cheapest (we cant get fast BB anyway so less in it) but because it is satisfying to prevent the buck passing that goes on if you have a problem.

We have found this helps to ensure problems are solved fairly efficiently as you dont waste time in the different links in the chain arguing that its the other bit at fault....

This is why so far we've been stubbornly sticking with BT - but negotiating a better price each year. We are the last few houses on the exchange so I can always tell when everyone else is on. A big issue seems to be that the village above us is using BT Vision for their TV as they can't get SKY or Freeview. So when everyone is watching our on-line goes alsmost dead. Our line is supposedly doing "up to" 8 but the best we ever got was 1.8 MB :&>

smudger

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • North Devon/ West Exmoor
Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 01:02:22 pm »
Thanks for responses. Seems consensus is moving to another ISP won't essentially make things better.

I Just wanted to reiterate Chickenlady's question - has anyone used satellite broadband?  (I've looked onto mobile broadband and we don't get coverage from any operator so not an option for us unfortunately).

There seems to be very few players  (Tooway is sold by different companies, but essentially the same service). It seems the Welsh government were given grants to those who couldn't get normal broadband, just wondering if anyone in wales could report back, either first or second hand?  satellite contracts tend to be 2 years and significant upfront cost for equipment, so want to be sure before we take the plunge.

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Smalltime

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Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2012, 10:07:23 am »
Now we have moved we have looked into it again. Plusnet do a guaranteed speed, fixed speed, for a slight premium which is primarily used for internet gaming apparently. It is a rolling contract so we are going to try that and see if it solves the problem of dropping out and very slow speed (its meant too). Will let you know how it goes. If I can play my PS3 online with it then it will be good enough for most of your needs I should think. We have been given a terribly slow speed from all sorts of providers for this address, averaging about 1.5mb/s, so this is the only solution we have been offered that seems like it might work if they can do it on an SSL or tunnel route connection (or something similar).

FiB

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Bala, North Wales
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Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2012, 10:12:49 am »
Yes Smudger - my neighbour has had the satelite install (up to £1000 grant for installation - google welsh assembly 'notspot') and is very satisfied - they arent too bothered about the monthley fee (was £40 when I looked into it a few months ago) as its for business use so tax deductable.  I think they get speeds of around 10MB, which compared to my 0.1Mb is lightning.  I just want 1Mb so I can get i player.  BT still ignoring me.  1 year on....

northfifeduckling

  • Joined Jan 2009
  • Fife
    • North Fife Blog
Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2012, 10:13:35 am »
I didn't know that any provider can guarantee a speed? How would they control the quality of your line, how many other people are on on your exchange at any given time? Especially as they depend on BT to provide the line? I really hope this will work for you and I don't mean to be a spoilsport by expressing my doubts... :&>

Smalltime

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Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2012, 10:17:56 am »
No dont worry, I have posted on this thread before and am very cynical for similar reasons. However, you can do tunnel routes through the net if you know how (I dont) so it seems possible in theory. We shall see!

northfifeduckling

  • Joined Jan 2009
  • Fife
    • North Fife Blog
Re: Rural broadband (aaargh)
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2012, 10:20:58 am »
Good luck! Keep us posted  :wave: :&>

 

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