[plumseverywhere]

   OK that sounds not good EllisR !!

[princesspiggy]

just had a thought I could let you borrow cutlet who was adopted from an animal charity, he was a pet lamb and he will show anyone why bottle fed males are not good. As he enjoys human contact so much he will clear a 5' fence just to be on the lawn near to any human.

my son will vouch for that, he was up a tree for 2 hrs while bobby was waiting at the bottom for him...will jump on his shoulders if given the chance. completly tame with no respect but adorable from behind a fence, will run and talk and give u a kiss. we should have castrated him though. hel be here for life now 

[plumseverywhere]

shaun is castrated (or will be when his bits fall off) so will that make any difference? If anything the stories about boys hiding up tree's and butting rams have made the whole freezer thing seem quite ok!!  in fact yesterday when shaun came into the utility room as i made the bottles up, he sniffed the freezer and my 8 year old said "oooh mum he's looking at his new home..." so i think the kids are getting used tot he idea too