Author Topic: Low temp burns from wheat bags  (Read 8347 times)

waterbuffalofarmer

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Re: Low temp burns from wheat bags
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2015, 08:18:24 pm »
The only thing I can think of is extra quilts or blankets, maybe wrap, loosely, around your feet a warm woolly blanket along with your thick bed socks and your feet will be nice and toasty. Also invest in some lovely thick pyjamas and you won't want to get out :D
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Fleecewife

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Re: Low temp burns from wheat bags
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2015, 11:45:44 pm »
The only thing I can think of is extra quilts or blankets, maybe wrap, loosely, around your feet a warm woolly blanket along with your thick bed socks and your feet will be nice and toasty. Also invest in some lovely thick pyjamas and you won't want to get out :D

Haha  :D - I never do want to get out of my bed WBF - I'm definitely a night owl.  Yep, I've got the thick PJs (plus a vest), plus the bedsocks, plus an exothermic husband who's better than any other source of heat, we have a silk duvet designed for winter, plus two lovely woollen blankets woven from our own sheep wool and a woollen under blanket.  I don't even open the window at night in the winter any more, just the door as I don't like to feel shut in.  Poor Mr F cooks while I pile on the warmth - then I get too hot and kick the lot off - then I freeze............
I draw the line at having the central heating on at night.  I really hate a hot bedroom - I can never sleep in hotels.  In the depths of a very cold winter with the temp down to minus double figures, we keep the log burner in all night which takes the worst of the chill off.

You're persuading me that I don't need any external added heat.  It would be safer for me to give up on the wheat bag altogether, and rely on all the cosy alternatives.

But I still don't understand why these bags can be sold with no warnings  ???
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SallyintNorth

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Re: Low temp burns from wheat bags
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2015, 12:09:54 pm »
I've been doing a bit of googling and it does seem that there should be more warnings on these products.  I read in one piece that there is a BS Kite mark for them, which entails including safety information on the packaging, but of course that doesn't help people buying non-kitemarked products.

I also did a bit of googling for burns relating to the use of hot water bottles, and it seems to me that the sort of burn you've sustained does also happen with those.  However, they are rare (both with wheaty bags and conventional hot water bottles) unless the person has some other underlying condition which makes them less likely to realise that their skin is burning.  (Neuropathy and diabetes being the two most commonly quoted.  The deep sleep of a tired smallholder didn't get a mention... :D)

In looking at wheaty bags, most seem aimed at use for pain relief, and for cold feet other than in bed.  So I do wonder whether they are not really intended for use in bed?  They mostly say the heat will dissipate over 45 minutes or so, whereas of course in bed they are insulated and the heat will last longer.  There are reports of bags combusting in bed, due to having been overheated and then put into the bed, where the insulation of the bedding prevents the heat escaping.

Bags which fit easily onto the turntable of the microwave shouldn't get overheated except through operator error.  There was one tragic story where a lady had bought her mum a wheaty bag to use instead of her hot water bottle; the daughter had been worried about her mum having an accident filling the hottie with her shaking hands, so thought the wheat bag would be safer.  However the mum seems to have overheated it, it set the bed on fire and the mum died in hospital the next day. 

One article did mention that many of these bags are too large for the usual microwave, and may not turn properly because they're wedged against the sides of the oven.  This can caused localised hot spots, and these can in turn cause combustion when insulated by bedding.

On the subject of insulating bedding... I have found that my hot water bottle can create excessive heat now that I have all wool bedding - duvet, pillows and mattress cover.  The latter seems to reflect the heat back into the hottie, and I can find it too hot to put my feet underneath it (even with a fleecey cover on it - must knit it a woolly one.)   So I wonder whether in your case, Fleecewife, the woollen underblanket, the silk duvet and woollen overblankets do the same thing, and can create enough heat in the wheatie bag to cause these burns.

I found guidance on using hot water bottles, which included the following tips:
  • replace hot water bottles after two years
  • use a cover
  • fill with hot but not boiling water
  • fill only to 2/3 full
  • squeeze the air out before fixing the stopper

All of which, except the first, I do do - and I've only ever had leaks with hotties that were more than 5 years old.

(Actually I do use just-boiled water, but I put in a cupful of hot-not-boiling water first, and top up with just-boiled.)

If you definitely don't want to go back to using a water bottle, then either reducing the heat in the wheatie bag, as you did suggest upthread, or get an electric blanket that is safe for all-night use and get it tested every 12 months (which is what we should all do with our electric blankets - in fact, our local Age Concern arranges for free testing to be offered at our local fire station every year.)  My mum has an electric blanket on the bed I use when I visit that you can set to be on for an hour, so you put it on 10-15 minutes before you go to bed and it'll turn itself off after you fall asleep.

And, having read about people who did burn themselves on wheatie and water hotties, if your leg isn't improving by Monday morning, I wish you would get it looked at...  :hug:

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Fleecewife

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Re: Low temp burns from wheat bags
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2015, 02:08:00 pm »

Trust me Sally, I'm a nurse  :roflanim:  No, it's definitely less painful and swollen today, and there's no sign of the kind of damage which would make the deep tissues need to be excised.  If it suddenly gets worse then I will get it looked at, promise.

You've been looking at the same web info as me  ;D, although I also found a research project based in Adelaide.  In that one, one of the causes of low temp burns was 'car seat', which must mean a heated seat, so some poor soul burnt himself on the bum  :o

And yes, nothing mentioned exhausted smallholders, or even folk with heart conditions and very poor circulation - that's why my feet get so cold, but also I suspect it's one of the reasons the wheat bag caused the damage.
You're right too about the bags heating up, or retaining their heat when all cocooned in wool etc, but mine was sold specifically for use in bed, but the only warning was to heat for the correct length of time, and to allow to cool completely before reheating.
It's frustrating though when all this is known, but the bags are seen as a safe alternative to hotties.  The hotties we had that leaked, one was just over a year old, and the other was about 2 days old  :o  On examination, it had a small defect, where the rubber had bubbled in manufacture, and that had given way in use.  Both times the water filled MY side of the bed, so in spite of me having to deal with it in the night, Mr F didn't twitch, and knew nothing about it.  Typical  ::).

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SallyintNorth

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Re: Low temp burns from wheat bags
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2015, 02:21:21 pm »

Trust me Sally, I'm a nurse  :roflanim:

I did not know that.  :-[ :dunce:  (Or, more likely, had forgotten - which is worse  :-[)

No, it's definitely less painful and swollen today, and there's no sign of the kind of damage which would make the deep tissues need to be excised.  If it suddenly gets worse then I will get it looked at, promise.

Glad to hear that - and thanks  :-*

even folk with heart conditions and very poor circulation
 

That was what I was wondering about ;)

Well, the only other thing I can think of is to make yourself a thrummed 'foot pillowcase' of wool+alpaca, preheat the inside of the 'foot pillowcase' before getting into bed and slide your (also prewarmed) feet into the 'foot pillowcase' to make a cosy extra cocoon for your feet.
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devonlady

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Re: Low temp burns from wheat bags
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2015, 06:52:40 pm »
Or get a whippet, best hottie I know.

 

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