Author Topic: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle  (Read 17876 times)

lachlanandmarcus

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2013, 01:36:57 pm »
You could maybe get some castrated boys of a more primitive breed as these are normally kept into a second year and go off as hoggett lamb, these should be inexpensive and a good toe in the water and delicious :-)) eg Hebridean, Shetland, castlemilk, Soays etc.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2013, 04:27:01 pm »
and then another acre for the companion....
So for two cattle, that's 4 acres (if you're growing your own winter fodder.)
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2013, 04:37:36 pm »
Store lambs, which are lambs reared on their mothers, now weaned and needing to grow on, typically start being sold up here around mid August, so they're maybe 4 months old.  Depending on breed, they may fatten by Oct/Nov, or early in the New Year, or not till next spring.

It can be perplexing that teeny little rabbitty things are selling in the store ring for as much or more than their finished peers in the fat ring next door - but the thinking is that those little squibs will fatten on summer grass and be ready to cash in when prices are at their highest.

We usually calculate that a store lamb will cost us £10 to grow on, on top of his purchase price.  So look back at your local mart reports for the time of year yours would be ready to send away, and see what prices were compared to now.  It's no guarantee, but it's the best you'll be able to do!  Alternatively, if the lambs are for you to eat and for meat to sell to your campers, then it doesn't much matter what you pay for them as stores, you would just set the ppk as appropriate when you come to sell.  Budget around £25/head for slaughter and butchering.  Carcase weight could be as low as 15kg for a primitive like a Castlemilk Moorit, up to 26kgs+ for a larger (but slow-growing) breed like a Cheviot.

Yes, you are far more likely to experience problems with cade lambs than with stores that have been reared to about 4 months on their mothers.
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

shygirl

  • Joined May 2013
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2013, 04:41:52 pm »
and then another acre for the companion....
So for two cattle, that's 4 acres (if you're growing your own winter fodder.)

and shetlands are expected to eat 5 bales each per winter, if that helps anyone. we got 8 big bales off an acre but it needed reseeding so wasnt the optimum amount.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2013, 04:51:12 pm »
We feed at a level of about half a small bale of hay per cow per day, so that's approx 75-90 small bales per cow per winter. 

We reckon about 40 small bales to the tonne, so round about 2T hay per cow per winter.
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

Oly

  • Joined Feb 2013
  • South Cheshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2013, 09:03:54 am »
Brilliant info!  Many thanks people!!  Lots to calculate!

 

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