[Bumblebear]

Two shots one day apart. This last time I've given her one shot a day for the last two days.  Figure it isn't goi g to do any harm

[kja]

i think i have already said this but its best to give 2 shots a day for 3 days ery really needs to be hit hard to get on top of it. that friend of mine that had a boar go down around the same time did this he has not looked back and will be back in the show ring next month for his championship show.

[Bumblebear]

Is it too late to carry on now?  Why didn't the vets leave us more then?!  I thought they would know what to do

[Tamsaddle]

Having read Bumblebear's other post about Streptacare, it does seem a complicated antibiotic to administer.   Our vet gives us Betamox;  with that you only need to do more than one injection site at a time if the dose is over 20 ml, ie. 200 kg bodyweight, but my pigs who got it were max. 30 kg weigh  (requiring a 3 ml dose).    I always ask for a whole bottle of antibiotic rather than single doses, just in case it, or something else, crops up again, or in another pig.   You can use it for 28 days after first piercing the bottle lid.    We gave ours two jabs in total, 48 hours apart, and that seemed to sort it out completely, with no recurrence of symptoms or high temperature.   SO FAR AT LEAST !!!

[Bumblebear]

Thats what the vet left us Tamsaddle.  She was eating and drinking and now off her food again but still peeing and we're still syringing electrolytes in her.  She's not just laying there being compliant let me tell you - but its her breathing im worrying about.  The whole thing is dragging on and it's really getting us down, never knowing if shes going to eat/drink/be dead when we see her.  Then theres the fact that ginger pig is ready to go and I dont want ot send her by herself or leave black pig by herself  

[Tamsaddle]

Interesting that your pig has breathing problems - mine never had anything like that at all.  It must be an awful worry for you, never knowing what you will find next time you see them.    Do hope yours pulls through OK, can you leave the ginger pig for a bit longer so that they can go off together when you get to the end of your antibiotic withdrawal period?

[Bumblebear]

She died.  We heard ginger pig chasing her, went outside and she was panting really heavily again; then had a fit and died. 

[HappyHippy]

I'm so sorry for your loss   
For what little it's worth, I don't think it's been purely ery, not with breathing difficulties  But I've not had a case of ery, so don't know for sure.
Hope things improve for you soon 

[TheGirlsMum]

So sorry, Ginger can go alone now though

[Tamsaddle]

I agree with HH, don't think it was purely ery, perhaps a bit of pneumonia as well?    My four who have had ery have never had any sort of breathing problems at all, just lameness/stiff back legs, off their food and very high temps, nor did any of them have a recurrence of any symptoms after their two antibiotic jabs and their temperature going back to normal.   Nevertheless, I am so sorry about your loss, to have lost two to whatever it was is incredibly bad luck indeed.    Just hope none of your other pigs get it 

[Bionic]

Bumblebear, so sorry to hear that you have lost another one. You must be devastated 

[Bumblebear]

We are completely done in.  We've spoken to the vet to see if there is anything we could have/should have/shouldn't have done.   Vet said that eri can cause lesions in the heart and it is that which causes the panting which causes a heart attack.  She said in her experience seeing the lesions should be the first sign but in some cases (and black pigs) lesions can't be seen and it is the temp that alerts to eri.  Which is what happened in our case.  She says there is nothing we could have done differently, except of course to buy vaccinated stock next time, which we will absolutely be doing.  Fallen stock have been and gone and now we have ginger pigs journey to plan.  It will be bitter sweet tasting pork indeed this year.

[Tamsaddle]

Even buying vaccinated stock isn't that straightforward, as they are not that easy to find.   I have bought in 3 sets of 2-3 weaners this year;  none of them were pre-vaccinated against ery, simply because where they came from there had never been any ery before.   If you buy unvaccinated weaners at 8-9 weeks old, they will have missed the first jab at 6 weeks old which may be critically important.    So in our case this year, we gave the bought in weaners their first jab at 10 weeks old, at the same time as our home bred ones were getting their second ery jab, and it was one of these pigs, a GOS gilt, who showed signs of succumbing to ery one week later at 11 weeks old.  Thankfully she has fully recovered, but that first ery vaccination when she was 10 weeks old was obviously of no use at all in preventing the symptoms.

[Bumblebear]

Thanks tamsaddle, that's very interesting and enlightening.  We got ginger pig from a petting zoo/meat producer who vaccinate all their pigs.  They will be our first choice next year....if there is a next year.

[Eastling]

So sorry to hear you news hope ginger pig goes off ok.    Your next ones will cause less stress for you.