Author Topic: CPH query  (Read 4545 times)

Berkshire Boy

  • Joined May 2011
  • Presteigne, Powys
CPH query
« on: May 03, 2013, 10:41:17 am »
I am going to rent some woodland from a neighbour. I want to include the woods on my cph, does anyone know how I go about it. Thanks
« Last Edit: May 03, 2013, 10:43:05 am by Berkshire Boy »
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Bodger

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: CPH query
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 11:13:15 am »
Not a clue BB. Maybe the woodland already has a CPH through its owner and you simply use that in addition to your own?

HappyHippy

  • Guest
Re: CPH query
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 12:50:22 pm »
Rural payments agency BB  :thumbsup:
They'll give you a form to fill in and can either add it to your CPH no, or give you another number for it I think.
HTH

hughesy

  • Joined Feb 2010
  • Anglesey
Re: CPH query
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 12:57:21 pm »
Bear in mind that if they issue another CPH or it has an exixting one, you'll need to do a movement online for pigs to go from one side of the fence to the other.

oaklandspigs

  • Joined Nov 2009
  • East Sussex
    • OaklandsPigs
Re: CPH query
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 06:40:45 pm »
Yes you should be able to add it to your existing CPH quite easily. In England, land within 5 miles of your base holding can be added to your CPH, and treated as one single holding, with moves and standstills applying as if one single parcel of land.
Simply talk to the RPA - not sure if it's a form, let us know!
There are advantages and disadvantages for both you and your neighbour in how you do this.
For instance if your neighbour already has a CPH that covers this wood and other land of his, then you could as OTG suggests you leave it under his CPH, then any moves between the two would need an e-aml.  But it would leave you free to say buy and move pigs into the wood, whilst still be able to sell weaners from your existing holding (as they are treated as two separate holdings).  You can then move any bought in pig after the 21 days to your existing, allowing you some flexibility and freedom in selling.  However this scheme would put your neighbour on standstill every time you move pigs on, and the woods you rent on standstill every time he moved livestock on his bit.
If you take this wood into your existing CPH, then you manage it as one, so any move on creates a standstill against all.  But both your and your neighbour can freely move stock without affecting each other.
Finally some transgressions of law go against the CPH holder irrespective of livestock ownership, so if CPH left with him he could be liable for things you do !
This is a complicated area, but generally I would recommend that you add it to yours.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Eve

  • Joined Jul 2010
Re: CPH query
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 09:36:09 pm »
I got mine over the phone straight away and had it confirmed by letter some days later.


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Tudful Tamworths

  • Joined Aug 2009
    • Liz's website
Re: CPH query
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 10:55:08 pm »
In Wales, it's not the RPA, it's the Welsh Assembly. Call 0845 010 2200 for your local divisional office. My "local" office was Llandrindod Wells (even though I'm in SE Wales), so I think it would be the same for you. Here are the contact details for all three, should anyone need them:
Caernarfon Office
Government Buildings
Penrallt
Caernarfon
LL55 1EP

Tel: 01286 674144
Fax: 01286 677749
E-mail: [email protected]
Llandrindod Wells Office
Government Buildings
Spa Road East
Llandrindod Wells
LD1 5HA
Tel: 01597 823777
Fax: 01597 828304
E-mail: [email protected]
Carmarthen Office
Government Buildings
Picton Terrace
Carmarthen
SA31 3BT

Tel: 01267 225300
Fax: 01267 235964
E-mail: [email protected]
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Berkshire Boy

  • Joined May 2011
  • Presteigne, Powys
Re: CPH query
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 10:51:17 am »
Thanks everyone I will sort it next week and let you know how i get on. I am down in London at the moment and coming home this afternoon. I hate being away from home and  my animals.
Everyone makes mistakes as the Dalek said climbing off the dustbin.

 

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