Author Topic: Breeds at Risk Register  (Read 5980 times)

Marches Farmer

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Breeds at Risk Register
« on: December 31, 2012, 11:54:34 am »
Not sure how many of you with rare breeds are aware you can do this via the defra.gov.uk website.  In the case of disease outbreak vaccination (if an option) would be offered rather than culling.

HappyHippy

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 12:20:41 pm »
It's my understanding that if you keep registered rare breed pigs, the BPA automatically add your details to the register, but if I'm wrong on that please correct me somebody  ;)
I was under the impression it's not automatic that your animals will be spared any cull, but they might have more of a chance if there were any outbreaks in the future (depending on location, proximity to disease centre, rarity of bloodlines etc) - but it's a good enough reason for me to keep my pigs registered none the less  ;) :thumbsup:

hughesy

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 01:21:45 pm »
I believe that to be correct happyhippy.

rispainfarm

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 04:13:45 pm »
Am I correct in saying though only if you have a certain number of rare breed breeding sows will they consider not culling you if need be
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Marches Farmer

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2013, 09:31:38 am »
I haven't found any mention of numbers required.  I also seem to remember that the BPA don't keep the herd book for the British Lop ....?

Berkshire Boy

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2013, 11:52:23 am »
As I understand it you have to have a minimum of 3 sows, according to the Rare breeds web site.
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oaklandspigs

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2013, 01:21:25 pm »
This needs splitting into three areas
 
1. The "breeds at risk register" contains a list of the breeds that might be considered eg British Saddleback Pig, West Corwall short eared goat, welsh valley tree-climbing cow.
 
so the actual register is only the names of breeds, not any details of breeders holders etc.
 
2. You can submit your name onto a list (http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-diseases/controls/culling-exemptions/), but in all honesty I cannot see how anyone would use this and I expect this to be junked as out of date partial data, and the site says in any case " During an exotic disease outbreak, keepers with premises within control zones or on suspect/infected or contact premises will also have the opportunity to inform the AHVLA if they have breeds at risk when AHVLA officials visit their premises."
 
3. Which breeds go on the list.  Defra use sources such as the BPA and the British Lop club to obtain details and evidence that breeds are sufficiently rare to go on the list.
 
If/when an outbreak occurs, then any farm that comes under potential cull can use the fact that they have livestock from breeeds that on the register as a defence to plead that their rare bred stock should not be culled.  They would need to show that their stock was indeed these breeds, so registration on either BPA or equiv for other species or relevant breed society (eg British lop) would be needed, and probably checked.
 
However EVEN in these circumstances, their stock may still be culled - as the defra websire says "A principle of exotic disease control legislation is that certain categories of animals/birds (see below) may be considered for sparing from culling, provided that disease control is not compromised. However, such exemptions for both animals/birds are not guaranteed and will be considered on a case-by-case basis following a veterinary risk assessment of the premises and consideration of wider issues and impacts."
 
So
 
a) no-one holds a list of "holdings" that are exempt - each holding is looked at only as potential cull of stock is looked at. 
b) You can go on a "pre-list", but I really canp;t see anyone cbothering to use out of date partial info
b) As far as I'm aware from defra there are no minimum numbers (I believe the RBST number is a guide - BB have you got the link to where this is quoted?) - so someone keeping one rare breed pig of a rare bloodline and say able to show that they are protecting from potential infection (eg housing aawy from boundaries, foot dips etc.) might get spared, whilst a large farm may get culled anyway as they can't put any defence measures in place and are right next to a mega farm which could get infected via them.
c) The BPA registers etc. would not be used en mass, just as a confirmation of the stock being rare breed.
 
 
 
 
 
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Berkshire Boy

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2013, 02:09:27 pm »
https://www.rbst.org.uk/uk-fmd-breeds-risk-register Oaklands this is the link were it says about the 3 sows minimum.
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oaklandspigs

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2013, 04:45:04 pm »
https://www.rbst.org.uk/uk-fmd-breeds-risk-register Oaklands this is the link were it says about the 3 sows minimum.

Thanks BB, the RBST website is dated 2005, but Defra's 2011 site says the eligability crirteria are :
 
 
  • The breed must be listed as being rare in the UK country report on farm animal genetic resources 2002
  • The breed must be native to the UK
  • The animals must be pedigree and registered with the relevant breed society.
  • BUT Defra's current site says neither !
     
    So who knows!
     
    Maybe 3 is still a minimum, but suspect you'd have to have a good case to get exempted from a cull even if you meet the initial criteria! 
     
     
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Marches Farmer

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2013, 08:37:04 pm »
Good point. Would probably help if you already have approved quarantine facilities.  We do, for both sheep/cattle and pigs and it was surprisingly easy - housing out of reach of other stock, separate place for muck, feed storage, boot dip and a dedicated set of clothing.  Common sense, really.  It was approved very quickly and will be a big help to us when we start offering boar hire as the pesky standstill period won't get in the way.

Rosemary

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Re: Breeds at Risk Register
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 11:42:44 am »
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