[bluejules]

Rare breed sheep/.lambs
Goat's milk products - including soap
Honey
Eggs
Geese
We'll also keep a few pigs.

Done some market research and there's a lot of interest.

We haven't actually submitted anything yet so it's not as if we've been turned down - I'm just being pessimistic!
The planning officer the other day seemed to think that a planning agent would be a waste of money as there's absolutely no problems with design and access, siting, impact, etc. It's just about living on site. People must have reasons for living on site? We;re just finding it very difficult with all the going to and fro...

[SallyintNorth]

Did you contact Chapter 7?

[Rare Breeds at Palacerigg]

Surely if there was a building there before, planning would be fine to replace the previous building?
You could also consider speaking to a planning consultant. I know a couple down here in southern Scotland but not any up in your area.
Alternatively, contact your local MSP or councillor.
Never give up though!

[bluejules]

Tried Sally, but no response yet.

I read some of the stuff on the site though and was fascinated by it - especially the 'move now, ask questions later' approach!

[bluejules]

Rare Breeds - there is a large barn on the site where we keep the animals. We want to put the log cabin next to the barn. The previous owner's bungalow is actually on the other side of the lane and being rented out.

Planning people seemed to think we would actually improve the site by putting the building on it as it's a right mess at the moment, full of rubble and bits of old gates left by the previous owner. But they're still going to apply the function and finance tests from PPS7.

[doganjo]

Planning Officers can and do apply whatever tests there are in law, but sometimes they can waive them, but also the case could go to the Planning Committee and they may go on a  site visit.  They can overturn any decision by a planning Officer,  You can also go to appeal, not sure to whom in England but it's the Scottish Government here.
My case was helped considerably by a planning consultant even though it seemed cut and dried by h PO.  He focussed he mind of the planning officer.  Money well spent in my opinion.  Even a short consultation for advice with one would probably calm you down.

[katie]

I agree- agents can at least set you off in the right direction! What you're doing sounds good - but would it make enough money to fulfil the financial rubbish? What about training courses?
I think it's one in three cases get through on appeal. For the Appeal, you are not allowed to present any new information, so make sure you cover absolutely everything in your initial submission.

Don't give up before you start - you may as well have a go!

Katie

[FiB]

As far as my experience goes, Plannings 'concern' is usually either the visual element or the impact element. If you have services on site already and your daily water & sewage impact is light, you should argue this case. If you have no services actually on your land, you could consider an off-grid build. This might be a bit more left field than you might like to consider but have a search for 'Earthships'. They are stand alone buidlings with rainwater harvesting, renewable energy systems and on-site waste recycling and treatment. i.e. NO impact on the environment. They are not the easiest to get through the Plannning system but they are getting easier. It took me over a year but that was the first one in our LA area. There is a great one in Skerray up north and there is also a great bank of volunteers wanting to help build them.
Just a thought...

http://earthship.com/
http://earthshipeurope.org

Really interested to learn more about this (should i start a separate topic?)  We'd like to build an earthship structure (probably start with a shed to get our skills in!!) but thought the UK had still got a downer on the use of tyres as a building material (Ive been following sporadically since the grand designs programme)... have I missed a positive ruling?  Love to see pics or hear more about your experience?  Love F xx

[lachlanandmarcus]

If looking at a low/no impact type dwelling you might want to look at these for loos - I love the look of them and also the fact that as wee and solids are separate at all stages, you arent ending up with lots of harmful liquid waste.
We are considering using it for the interim stage of a cottage renovation before it has the extension added which would be where the eventual more conventional bathrooms would be, and subsequently using it as a loo for the stables/barn so we dont have to 'run to the house!)
http://www.waterlesstoilets.co.uk/content/kazubaloo-kl1-0
Tyres wise it is a bit grey area I think - horsey people get panicky too that their rubber tyre shred manege outdoor school surfaces will be deemed industrial waste as well! I would hope that given that the tyres are being given a permanent immoveable function, they would not count as waste in the same way as if they were piled up in a dump. Or is it the look of earthships that has been controversial, rather than the tyres?
 
 

[Red]

Try looking at the Ecology building society as they offer great advise and can advise on PP and may give you some alternative ideas that just might work! 

[Small Farmer]

Here's a letter a friend got from the planners


Dear David xxxxxx[/size]Further to your enquiry dated 23rd October 2012.You are advised to submit an application for pre-application advice to discuss your proposals.
Please find below a link to the council's pre-application meetings page where you can download the relevant form.
http://www.islington.gov.uk/services/planning/planninginisl/plan_before/pre_app_advice/Pages/default.aspxKind regardsPlanning Enquiries
Environment & Regeneration
Islington Council


So you need to apply to have a meeting to discuss an application you haven't yet made!  [/size]

[SallyintNorth]

Oh, tell me about it.     Time was you could phone up and have a 5 minute chat to determine whether you needed planning for something, now you have to go through a computerised process nearly as complicated as planning itself to ask a pre-planning application question...  And this is in the taxpayer's interest how?  All it means is no-one asks any questions, they just get straight into the planning application, thereby causing more work for the planning department...     Oh!  I get it!  More work = safeguard jobs!!!  Of course!  Sir Humphrey is alive and well and clearly working in planning now...