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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 05, 2019, 02:52:43 pm

Title: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 05, 2019, 02:52:43 pm
Just in case anyone is interested, I captured the prices (hopefully relatively well though they may not be perfect) from the recent sale at Thainstone.  The stock was better quality than I've seen there for a few years with nothing looking like it shouldn't have travelled to the mart (unlike the last one)!  The meat man picked up a few bargains.

Bagot Male  Gn 15
Golden Guernsey x goatling (2) Gn16
Golden Guernsey x goatling (2) Gn95
Golden Guernsey x Bagot Female (2) Gn 35
Golden Guernsey x Bagot Female (2) Gn 38
Golden Guernsey x Bagot male  Gn 38
Golden Guernsey x Bagot male  Gn 12
Boer male (registered & CAE tested) Gn 190
Boer male (registered & CAE tested) Gn 42
Boer female (4) Gn 80
Pygmy male Gn 150
Pygmy male Gn 170
Toggenburg (2 females plus kid; registered) Gn 90
Golden Guernsey x Saanan/Boer Female (2019) Gn 50
Golden Guernsey x Saanan/Boer male (2019) Gn 38
Golden Guernsey x Saanan/Boer male (2019) Gn 30
Saanen x Saanen/Boer Female Gn 60
Pygmy male (2018) Gn 380
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Rosemary on September 05, 2019, 05:05:28 pm
Nobody jump on me for this - it's just an observation. But isn't it kind of weird that the pygmys, which will be pets, fetch more than animals that actually produce food? Or is it just me? :thinking:
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: harmony on September 05, 2019, 05:11:56 pm

Nobody jump on me for this - it's just an observation. But isn't it kind of weird that the pygmys, which will be pets, fetch more than animals that actually produce food? Or is it just me? :thinking:



Same with pigs.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: landroverroy on September 05, 2019, 05:52:26 pm
Always thus. Meat prices have a ceiling beyond which there is no market. Cuteness is limited only to how much  people will pay to own it.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: sheeponthebrain on September 05, 2019, 08:08:48 pm
maybe a stupid question but are the cae accredited ones still cae accredites after being sold in the same ring as untested ones?
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 05, 2019, 08:15:28 pm
Nobody jump on me for this - it's just an observation. But isn't it kind of weird that the pygmys, which will be pets, fetch more than animals that actually produce food? Or is it just me? :thinking:

It was also noticeable that horned fetched lower prices than disbudded/polled except in relation to the pygmies... having said that, some owners did a better job of "selling" the stock than others.  The Toggs, Boers and Pygmies had information on pedigrees, pictures of offspring etc whereas the GGs & Bagots didn't.  That may have influenced bidders.

I wonder how much the meat man will get for the horns on the Bagot as they were pretty spectacular!
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 05, 2019, 08:19:40 pm
maybe a stupid question but are the cae accredited ones still cae accredites after being sold in the same ring as untested ones?

I didn't see anything that was CAE accredited there (there were some that were CAE tested but that certificate is only valid on the date of testing as there are no restrictions on biosecurity for these animals).   However, to answer your question, accredited animals would lose accreditation as soon as they walked over the same ground as something non-accredited under the PSGHS rules.  Accredited goats need to be kept 3m apart from non accredited with separate loading and unloading facilities and walkways between loading point and pens, and would have to either be sold first or through a separate ring.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Polyanya on September 08, 2019, 08:57:48 pm
Interesting - thanks for that info Scarlet - I presume the price was for x 2 where listed and not each? The Baggots/GG mostly came from Shetland (I think) so would have been sent on the boat unescorted  and therefore providing information/pics would have been difficult.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Penninehillbilly on September 08, 2019, 10:13:09 pm
The accredited ones should have gone through first ?
At Skipton on Saturday, they were penned up away from the others, sold in a different ring, and used a separate loading bay.  Of course people were walking backwards and forwards, but presumably risks were minimal.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 09, 2019, 07:31:36 am
Interesting - thanks for that info Scarlet - I presume the price was for x 2 where listed and not each? The Baggots/GG mostly came from Shetland (I think) so would have been sent on the boat unescorted  and therefore providing information/pics would have been difficult.

The animals would have gone through the ring in pairs (or threes in the case of the Toggs) but the price bid is per animal.  In some cases if someone only wanted one of the pair, the second would be sold again.

Yes the Bagots/GGs were the Shetland lot.  I didn't realise they were unaccompanied but that explains why no information had been put up for them.  It's a shame as they may well have got more interest if the info had either been in the breeder's notes in the catalogue or on the pen. 
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 09, 2019, 07:42:20 am
The accredited ones should have gone through first ?
At Skipton on Saturday, they were penned up away from the others, sold in a different ring, and used a separate loading bay.  Of course people were walking backwards and forwards, but presumably risks were minimal.

There weren't any accredited goats present.  I've seen various approaches at different marts... some use an entirely different ring and penning area; some use different pens and sell from the pens rather than through the ring and some put the accredited stock through the ring first and then the other stock.  Theoretically people should use the boot dips and hand gel if entering the accredited area, but it can be hit and miss as most people who aren't accredited themselves don't understand the importance of the biosecurity. 

I have refused to unload my animals for show at a mart in the past after arriving at the show to discover the walkways and pens hadn't been properly cleaned (still visibly shitty) and the designated loading bays/walkways were being contaminated by "tested" rather than "accredited" animals.  It was an expensive day out given that I'd hired a trailer, taken time off to prepare them and paid the entry fees but I'll never enter another show at a mart as a result of that experience. 
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: macgro7 on September 09, 2019, 01:27:20 pm
I wonder if prices will be similar in Melton this coming Saturday!
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 09, 2019, 06:06:54 pm
I doubt it!  I suspect the prices will be good at Melton both because the rare breed parks will be there and because it's an RBST showcase of stock so serious breeders will also be there to find new bloodlines! 

The Thainstone sale has gone downhill over the past few years and is often seen as a place where stuff is "dumped" before winter... This year the stock quality was much higher than I've seen for a while (there was nothing I was tempted to bid on in order to have it shot at the mart to put it out of its misery at this sale) but I suspect the serious buyers may not have been there based on what's gone through the last few sales. 

The meat man picked up quite a few, but there were a couple of buyers who got bargains there, most notably the young male Guilden Boer buck (which went to a meat breeder not far from his point of origin), the 3 pure Togg females (not sure where they went but hopefully to someone who will keep breeding these lovely rarities) and the boers (who went to someone from further afield that is making a name for themselves in speciality meats).
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Polyanya on September 09, 2019, 10:00:30 pm
Would you happen to know when the next sale is Scarlet, is it March?
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 10, 2019, 07:29:12 am
For Thainstone, it's in the spring - they only hold 2 per year: http://www.anmarts.co.uk/rare-minority-breeds.cfm (http://www.anmarts.co.uk/rare-minority-breeds.cfm)

Melton Mowbray is the big one, that's this weekend: https://home.grassroots.co.uk/farmer-access-pedeweb/melton-show-sale/ (https://home.grassroots.co.uk/farmer-access-pedeweb/melton-show-sale/)

Carlisle is 21st September: https://harrisonandhetherington.co.uk/smallholder/rare-breeds/ (https://harrisonandhetherington.co.uk/smallholder/rare-breeds/)

Lanark is 26th September: https://lawrieandsymington.com/sale-dates/ (https://lawrieandsymington.com/sale-dates/)

Dingwall is 16th November: http://www.dingwallmart.co.uk/saledates.html (http://www.dingwallmart.co.uk/saledates.html)

There may be others, I'm not sure but perhaps others will add in comments if they're aware of any I missed.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Buttermilk on September 10, 2019, 09:48:22 am
York is 12th October https://www.ylc.co.uk/rare-breeds/forthcoming-sales/ (https://www.ylc.co.uk/rare-breeds/forthcoming-sales/)
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Polyanya on September 13, 2019, 10:04:55 pm
I might just give Thainstone sales a try next year, but its a shame reading about the quality of the venue going downhill - I thought goats were becoming more popular in Scotland ???
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on September 16, 2019, 07:34:14 am
The quality was UP at the last sale... it's the past couple of years the quality has been awful across most of the species.
Title: Re: Goat prices from Thainstone Rare Breed Sale
Post by: macgro7 on September 16, 2019, 07:39:55 am
Goats in Melton last week were absolutely beautiful!