Similar price to [member=99582]mart6[/member] Wasn't too traumatic for the goat, but nonetheless it would have been better for the goat if I had got it right in the first place, and a lot cheaper. Rather than get too hung up on the £££ side ( he later sold for about what the op had cost) I thought of it more as a lesson to me in the need to be very careful,t get it right first time. Main change I made this year is to leave the ringing to day 7 to make sure the testis have dropped and as large as possible.