thank you chairmanphil, this one was sown (not by me!) in early february, its a moneymaker i think and is in a 15lt bucket, and just about to set its first truss. its been potted up 3 times from the 3'' into a 5'' and then into the bucket about 2 weeks ago, the best tip i can offer for tomatoes is get them into the biggest pot you have, as soon as they are about 5inch tall or on 2 sets of true leaves. i think its something to do with the tap root having an uninterupted travel from the start. if the taproot goes deep the plant just takes off. the aim is to promote the growth of nodes cos thats where the truss develops from, i think the taproot growth and the nodes are related, making the plant concentrate mainly on root growth from the start, seems to encourages the plant to branch and grow densely rather than leggy.