[suzi]

i bought a couple of golden gurnsey goats. both havent come in fantastic condition.
1 looks like shes lost a kid and got toxic udder. vet prescribed trymox and metacam.
doe is being put in kid next year for milking.
ive been trying to find out if trymox is safe for a milking doe.

does anyone know where i can find out please?
my vets said its safe, but, on the label it says total withdrawal for sheep!

[Anke]

You will find that there are zilch medicines licensed for goats... absolutely zilch. Your vet can prescribe any medication s/he thinks will be useful for your goats (its called the cascade system).


If there is a milk withdrawal time given for dairy cows I quite often take that as a guide, or to be totally safe 8 days (unless longer specified for cattle).


So it will be safe.


Jst checked and Trymox LA withdrawal time for milk is 84 hours - so that's just over 3 days. It will not have been tested for use in milking sheep - too expensive to get all the tests done for approval for niche species like goats and milk sheep....


What do you feed them at the moment? I would go easy on the concentrates and slowly build up, but things like readigrass and Alfa A are well liked, also a mineral drench (a sheep one with added copper will be good), lightly soaked sugar beet, vegetable stuff like brassicas, carrots. And while you still have branches - hazel, willow etc - give them those, with the bark peeled off as well. And - bananas! (peel and all, though not too many per day).

[suzi]

she isnt in milk atm. not even in kid. theres a worry she lost an inter bred kid to cause the toxic udder.

the 2 goats are on 1 pint of haygates concentrate mix plus add lib hay. they were pottering around the yard during the day (i was hosing and disenfecting after, just incase). i found them next to the sheep!!
they have a 24x15 stable atm.


they have fresh fruit and veg everyday. theyve been wormed now (i had to wait for a new drench).
i havent given a vit and min drench. i didnt think of that. i do offer loose herbs, they are nibbling at those.


they are looking a lot better 1 week later. only a small amount but slowly slowly we will win and have 2 healthy goats again.

[Anke]

Yes, they will build up slowly. They should be coming into season till the end of the year, so unless you need early kiddings, you should be able to wait to mate them until around Xmas time.


Fingers crossed for healthy goats!


I haven't used Heygates before, just make sure it has added copper, as goats need it. Most general feeds do not have it added anymore, but the likes of dairy cattle nuts or specific calf mixes do (and are better for goats as well).

[suzi]

ive just googled and found more information (i looked for ages the other night and found next to nothing. googled and this was right on top. odd).

Withdrawal period
Cattle: Meat and offal: 28 days
Milk: 84 hours
Pigs: Meat and offal: 19 days
Sheep: Meat and offal: 19 days
Not for use in sheep producing
milk for human consumption.

thats from the trymox wensite. im royally panicking ive just screwed up by not checking up on my vets drug recomendations.
i always check before giving anything (i have dairy sheep so been through this when vets just prescribe without checking).
the 1 time im so knackered and dont check and just do. argh. im hoping the vet comes back saying its all ok after 86 hours to consume. shes now producing nothing toxic, just milk. shes such a sweet goat it would be a shame to have to cul her because of this

[Anke]

You'll be fine!


The amounts of AB's used in the (cow) dairy industry is almost staggering by comparison... and sometimes they are necessary.

[suzi]

thank you for re assuring me. my daughter has sooooo many allergies (odd once too, water, hot temp, cold temp and preasure as her odd. plus her food allergies. i tend to over worry now (other kids im a less neurotic mother lol)