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mariegold

  • Joined Jan 2013
Aggressive goat
« on: April 03, 2021, 05:05:11 pm »
Hello, does anyone have any advice on how to deal with an aggressive goat please?
She's four years old, a boer cross, pretty massive and horned.
She's always been a bit aggressive when trying to trim her hooves etc.. but today, for the first time, she charged at me in the field with her horns aimed at me!
Her behavior has been escalating for a while and I need to find a solution!
We have one other goat, she's so lovely and gentle and she's getting quite bashed about now too.
I also have a young child and we want her to be able to interact with the animals (in a respectful way) What would you do?

Buttermilk

  • Joined Jul 2014
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 05:35:31 pm »
Freezer and get a horness goat as a pet.

mariegold

  • Joined Jan 2013
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 05:41:48 pm »
Yes, I did think that as I threw myself over the fence this morning!
Our other goat is horned but has never even threatened to use them.
I think a companion goat would need to horned too?
Is 4 years a bit old for meat? Are there any rules on this?
It's such a shame as she is a maiden milker 😭

Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 08:01:37 pm »
The safety of you and your family has to come first.  You could try using a water pistol but if she's charging at people in the field it sounds like it's maybe gone beyond that stage and it could be too late for you to get to a resolution where you can trust that you will be safe.  Do you know what triggers her?  Is she afraid something bad is going to happen or are you invading her territory or something?  Does she only attack females or also males?

If the other goat you have is horned, then yes, any companion(s) you take on should also be horned.  You should only keep horned with polled or disbudded goats if they've grown up together. 

There's no reason that a horned goat cannot make a good pet.  In my youth, all the farm milkers I knew had horns.  In my view it's a fashion that the BGS promotes disbudding horned milkers
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mariegold

  • Joined Jan 2013
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 08:17:50 pm »
She's had really bad feet issues this year, so I've had to do a lot of catching her and treating her. She's probably a bit fed up of me.
But she's always been unpredictable and aggressive to be honest.
I think I probably need to make the difficult decision and take her to the abatoir. I wouldn't want her back for the freezer, too sad. I wish I had tried to control her more when she was younger. Her mum was a really lovely goat ☹️

Anke

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • St Boswells, Scottish Borders
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 08:37:07 pm »

I would get a couple of younger goat kids or goatlings as companions for your remaining goat, that way she can establish herself as herd queen. What size/breed is she?




Anke

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • St Boswells, Scottish Borders
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 08:41:52 pm »

  In my view it's a fashion that the BGS promotes disbudding horned milkers


There is nothing "fashion" about disbudding - at nearly 50quid a go most goatkeepers will not disbud willy-nilly. However if you have to handle dairy goats (of nearly 100kg body weight for AN's and BT's) twice a day for milking it is just an ongoing safety risk. If you are planning to show your goats at shows where the general public is really close to them (and small children as well) then I think it is almost negligent to take horned goats.

mariegold

  • Joined Jan 2013
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2021, 09:01:22 pm »
She's a saanen type, so medium size. She's 9 years old now, with a heart murmur, but still perfect....to me.
I think a couple of goatlings could be the way to go.
Thank you for all the advice, it's very much appreciated

Anke

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • St Boswells, Scottish Borders
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2021, 09:04:01 pm »
She's a saanen type, so medium size. She's 9 years old now, with a heart murmur, but still perfect....to me.
I think a couple of goatlings could be the way to go.
Thank you for all the advice, it's very much appreciated


Definitely two given her age.

Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2021, 09:50:07 pm »

  In my view it's a fashion that the BGS promotes disbudding horned milkers


There is nothing "fashion" about disbudding - at nearly 50quid a go most goatkeepers will not disbud willy-nilly. However if you have to handle dairy goats (of nearly 100kg body weight for AN's and BT's) twice a day for milking it is just an ongoing safety risk. If you are planning to show your goats at shows where the general public is really close to them (and small children as well) then I think it is almost negligent to take horned goats.



It's all a matter of opinion.  All the farm goats I knew as a kid had horns and were milked by all the kids that hung around the farms making a nuisance of themselves (most of the farms back then had riding ponies and if the kids made themselves useful every weekend they "might" get a ride from the yard back to the field when the ponies were turned out of an evening).  As a teenager, I lived next door to a goat farm - again, everything was horned as far as I recall and milked twice a day.  Does that mean today's handlers are less capable than the generation before or just more risk averse?

As for showing, I have 'medium sized' horned non milkers (although I do milk occasionally when the need arises), I rarely show (too difficult with high health goats to ensure appropriate biosecurity and their health), but from a safety perspective I have no qualms at all in taking my goats, including my 'big' buck with massive horns.  He's a gentle giant and doesn't have a bad bone in him.  He's more likely to cause injury by standing on your foot than using his horns.  As a responsible handler, I wouldn't leave my stock unattended at a show (more because I'm concerned about what harm the public may cause them than vice versa), and I always try to ensure that 'small children' are under the control of an appropriate adult if they're in the vicinity of my stock. 

'Negligence' can occur on several levels at shows.

She's had really bad feet issues this year, so I've had to do a lot of catching her and treating her. She's probably a bit fed up of me.
But she's always been unpredictable and aggressive to be honest.
I think I probably need to make the difficult decision and take her to the abatoir. I wouldn't want her back for the freezer, too sad. I wish I had tried to control her more when she was younger. Her mum was a really lovely goat ☹️

Sounds like it's maybe a fear response if her feet have been bad/sore and every time she sees you it causes her stress.  You could try working through things but if you've already lost faith in her, then it's maybe not going to be positive for either of you to do that. 

If you don't plan on having her back for the freezer, you could maybe arrange for her to be dispatched at home and spare her the stress of going to the abattoir alone.
Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical and expecting more than others think is possible.

Buttermilk

  • Joined Jul 2014
Re: Aggressive goat
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 07:37:13 am »
I worked at a commercial dairy herd and all goats were disbudded.  You could not have a horned goat goring its herd mates when you have 4,000 milking goats.  The vet came two mornings a week all year round to disbud and see any other problems that we came up with.

Nothing to do with the BGS everything to do with safety.

 

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