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vfr400boy

  • Joined Jan 2013
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Getting a small holding
« on: May 13, 2019, 10:12:25 pm »
So we have been looking for many years to get a small holding or some land but around us itís to expensive!
We both work and have a half descent wage we have a bit of equity in our home but still we are miles off from owning our own place ( I could earn more but the job I have now letís me spend time with the kids and animals wich to me is priceless)
So the only 3 ways we think we can get our own land is
Win lotto
Rob a bank
I marry a older woman with a small holding then when she pops her clogs move the wife back in

Any suggestions on how to get on the small holding ladder will be greatly appreciated we donít want a massive place just somewhere we can grow our own food let kids be kids and maybe a small caravan park or bnb

  Any older single ladies about ha ha

Mad Goatwoman of Madeley

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  • Telford
Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2019, 11:19:17 pm »
What about your wife marrying an older man and when he pops his clogs you move in?  :roflanim:


Hope you do get what you want but have you considered an allotment for the time being?

vfr400boy

  • Joined Jan 2013
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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 06:09:13 am »
Ha ha Iíd not thort of that !
I all ready have 2 Alotments but they are to many rules on them and we have filled them with veg , and a few hens etc , weíd love a pig and a goat

pgkevet

  • Joined Jul 2011
Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 07:05:25 am »
You've said it in your post - you want the proverbial cake and eat it (yeah, I'm sounding cruel again, sorry).
This is a classic contemporary thing - surrounded by media and advertising sound-bites about work-life balance and busy lives and modern conveniences etc ect.
My wife and i had completely different upbringings. Her family ducked and dived on modest wages, council housing etc and whenever there was a bit spare they lavishly spent it. Chrstmasses were loads of things to unwrap, everything bought for convenience, making christmas a lavish affair, new bikes for the kids to keep up with the joneses and nothing in the bank.
My folks had entirely different priorities. Dad had a decent job but essentially was frugal. We didn't have a telly until i was in my teens and then only 'cos someone gave one away. Priorities were shelter and food and as much as could be was done or made at home. My first bike was from a local auction site and I had to strup it down, de-rust it, repaint it and repair it before it was rideable. My parents did spent lots of time with us as kids.. but a lot of that time was the family doing stuff together whether that was repainting or dad supervising me with the bike renovation or helping Mum baking. Holidays were camping in europe in army surplus tents and any meal out was a very rare treat.

Don't get me wrong - we had a  great upbringing with parents always there and always ready to help dreams come true..but usually by dint of working for it or making it rather than off-the-shelf. When my dad decided to early retire from his job with a lump sum it was to buy a plot of land to build a house on. He retrained as a teacher and also worked as a freelance translator. For the house build he acted as labourer, carpenter and made all the cupboards, laid all the floors etc in between all the other things he was doing.

That frugal gene stayed with me. When i qualified as a vet and started working I followed that pattern. I didn't suddenly feel well off and bought stuff... far from it I started shoving spare cash into assorted insurance and pension plans and still was careful with any spending - secondhand furniture and essential clothing and care with shopping, cooked for myself despite the long hours I worked back then. Indeed I hardly ever took a holiday and when i did take time from work i usually went off and did a locum job somewhere.

When i did finally manage to raise enough deposit for a house it was a case of strip the whole thing out and fix it up. Even my wedding was a self-catered affair. It was all a  slow progression. When i did finally manage to get my own clinic I still used to do the basic maintenance and tiling  and stuff. I can recall more than one occassion when i was painting or tiling or fixing the conservatory roof  gone midnight because i had to have stuff finished in time to get a few hours kip before morning surgery.

Eventually the business got big enough that i could relax and start to take holidays and hire builders but that was some 20 years post qualifying but even then when the time came to expand the business I abandoned all my hobbies and spends to do that and rolled my sleeves up again and worked the extra hours. My present lifestyle is a result of finally retiring and selling up and moving to a cheaper part of the UK. While I concede that hose prices back then were relatively cheaper we also went through the era of mortgage rates of 15%.

What I'm really getting at is that if you want something badly enough then there's usually a way. Look closely at what you really want and what you fritter money on-  those coffees you buy out, holidays, mobile phone contracts, parties, presents the kids play with once and put away, a second or even thrid job, charity shops, buying an older banger instead of a leasing a car you never own, scrap any sky subscription, shop wisely for food, packed lunches for work. Most folk who really sat down to take stock should find significant savings. You can spend time with the kids without taking them to theme parks and expensive outing. there's heaps of museum, libraries, places of interest, diy projects they can help with and skills they can learn. How much would you have saved over the last 6yrs as a member of this forum if you'ld really been that careful - turning all the lights off at home, thinking twice about full loads in the washer. And are you prepared to do that in exchange for some land? or will you be too old and worn out by the time your dream happens?

vfr400boy

  • Joined Jan 2013
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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 07:13:27 am »
Thanks for all the replyís ,
The problem around us is that all the pony people buy up all the small affordable land cash ( I will still need a Morgage)
We would consider moving if we can find work and a good school for my kids , my wife is a community Nursey nurse , I am working for the local drainage bored , but have qualifications in pigs and my Hgv , we are very frugal and have managed to buy a very nice detached 3 bed house with a garage etc but itís not us if that makes sense , I drive a £400 car and have done for 3 years now , we do save each month but still a long way off , I value my time with kids more than money thatís why I left the driving job , itís catch 22 !
When I am 60 I will probably be able to afford it but be to old to work it ha   

Maysie

  • Joined Jan 2018
  • Herefordshire/Shropshire Border
Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 12:14:56 pm »
 There will always be people who are better off than you in the same way that there will be people worse off, but it is your situation that matters and that is the only one which you can influence. 

If you want it badly enough, it will happen - if you make it happen. 

It wont happen though without you (and your family) MAKING it happen, so you need to find the way which works for your situation.  We recently moved a long way away from our family and everyone we know to pursue our dream, it has not been easy.  There has been a lot of stress, it has been very hard work, but in every respect the move has been completely and utterly worth it.  We have had to make painful compromises, but to regurgitate an over used term, 'we only live once'. 

Set your plan and make it happen!   :sunshine:

vfr400boy

  • Joined Jan 2013
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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 06:43:36 pm »
Thanks for that , yes we will keep trying, an other option is we rent our house out and try get on a country estate ( cottage with Big garden) but again they have a lot of rules etc ,


Am disappointed was hoping for loads off offers from older women ha ha
Thanks again for your replyís

landroverroy

  • Joined Oct 2010
Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 10:45:25 pm »
Maysie is right! Set your sights on what you want - really concentrate on it, and it will happen. That's how I built my land up. Just keep looking. Everywhere. I got my first field of my own by spotting a 3 line ad in saturday's Yorkshire Post. A 3 acre field in the obscure village that I live in, that most people have never heard of. The chances of seeing it were remote but because I was focused on what I was looking for, then I saw it. It took over 20 years to find my next bit of land and that was advertised on a site 100 miles away!


In the meantime I rented land from the Environment Agency and Yorkshire Water. Last week I happened to meet the estate manager of a local stately home. Suggested he needed highland cattle grazing to give the right atmosphere to his manicured grounds. He thought it over, and we've been offered about 20 acres to graze!


So what I'm saying is keep your eyes open and you will find what you are looking for.
  Good luck. :thumbsup: [size=78%] [/size]
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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 08:30:17 pm »
most smallholders round here   moved away from family  and kept up long commutes to jobs , and are in their 50s .......  follow the dream .... just dont expect it to come to you or happen soon!
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craiglang

  • Joined Jul 2018
Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2019, 10:57:10 pm »
So we have been looking for many years to get a small holding or some land but around us itís to expensive!
We both work and have a half descent wage we have a bit of equity in our home but still we are miles off from owning our own place ( I could earn more but the job I have now letís me spend time with the kids and animals wich to me is priceless)
So the only 3 ways we think we can get our own land is
Win lotto
Rob a bank
I marry a older woman with a small holding then when she pops her clogs move the wife back in

Any suggestions on how to get on the small holding ladder will be greatly appreciated we donít want a massive place just somewhere we can grow our own food let kids be kids and maybe a small caravan park or bnb

  Any older single ladies about ha ha

So I got a place of 3 acres and cost me nothing in the long run literally less than mile from my home. First I looked for land of 6 acres or more simple reason is that you can always find larger plots than smaller. I knocked on doors and asked local to my own home. It took me all of around 3 months to find piece of agriculture land and then I turned it or converted it to horsiculture. Soon as I did this I applied for six stables and tack room and got the planning passed know problems.

The land had know covenants attached or anything that would stop me from doing what I want with the land, this is because I asked a local and not looking for sale signs. remember that agents are there to tell them that they should put covenants on the land, you do not want these on land you purchase.

So the Six acres was more land than I wanted but I knew lots of people will pay premium for small areas of land so after I had the land for a couple of years I split it in two and sold one half for the same price as I paid for the full parcel of land. The land was also close to electric and water and I kept the piece of land with planning and electric. I also told the buyer that they had to put in the fencing to split the land the road to access and also the water to my land. I would then give them access to my electric free.

I have know turned my land back to agriculture and they have kept theirs for horses. I know that there is shortage of small parcels of land. But you can easy find 6 - 8- 10 acres of land and do not go down the land agents route. You have to be willing to do the leg work.

I know this because I have several friends and we have all done the same, yes it is a bit of work but you will be surprised at what land is actually out there. You may have to pay more for larger parcel of land but you will get it back when you split the land and if you don't get all the full amount you paid. You will certainly get 3 quarters of what you paid back.

It took me a total of 4 years in all to find land, purchase and sell and know, I have a fully functional small farm with electric, water and planning permission. I am also on the edge of where I used to live and so are all my friends so this should be easy to do know matter where you live. I only suggest one thing wait for the right buyer if you want to recoup your initial outlay, as they are going to be your neighbour one day so the choose wisely.

Don't give up keep your eyes open and do not be scared to knock on doors and ask local people who owns what. You will be surprised at the information you can get your hands on and remember shy kids get no sweets....! There are lots of people who own land and have never thought of selling, but if you make them an offer. You are cutting out the agents and go straight through your solicitors, they will do all the checks you need...!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 11:05:22 pm by craiglang »

SallyintNorth

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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 01:23:45 am »
There is another way to live on the land, have a great environment and lifestyle for the kids to grow up in, and all that good stuff, and not spend the earth.

Itís not for everyone, but if you are happy to work with other people to fulfil your dreams and theirs, CoHousing is a growing trend.  Many donít have livestock, but some do, including ours.

Have a look on the UK CoHousing website.  And on ours, we are seeking new members right now :)
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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ellied

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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2019, 02:35:11 pm »
Trouble is if you require a mortgage they only cover properties up to 3 or maybe 5 acres in the main, I'm on the market with a 10 acre holding and it's the same issue in reverse as buyers can't get loans for more than the mortgageable value and the rest of the land they essentially want free chucked in unless they are selling somewhere and have cash in hand.  So that is the market I am selling to not up but downsizers.  And that's why your couple acre places go at a premium because they're mortgageable!

PS I'm single and older but have no plans to pop my clogs or sleep with someone else's husband thanks all the same ;)

The other plan is to move location to the very isolated and therefore cheaper areas - Highlands & Islands, West Wales etc - but you then need more than a £400 car or you can find yourself a wee bit stuck cos bus routes are few and far between.
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vfr400boy

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Re: Getting a small holding
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2019, 06:19:50 pm »
So I did some door knocking and asking around not found anything for sale but have found a 3 acre field that a man will rent  for sheep , itís close to my home and had a field shelter etc , rite I donít know much about sheep I did lamb some at college years ago !
The man wants to meet me tomorrow to desscus price etc my question is if I buy store lambs at £50 ish and run them to kill Weight how much rent should I be offering? I donít want make money just fill my freezer with happy meat !! 

 

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