The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Introduce yourself => Topic started by: AndynJ on September 10, 2010, 04:08:29 pm
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Hi,
We are searching for our smallholding, Powys area, we have put offers in on 2 so are getting close to owning.
We are buying a derelict building with planning and approx 9 acres, everything we look at has at least a stream.
Once purchased we will not be moving there for at least 6 months though more likely to be 12 months once there we will then start the house build. (we need to sell our house)
We wondered if anybody maybe interested in living there in a caravan (we would get the planning permission) and starting the smallholding side of things off, you would get a minimum of 12 months but to be honest we would look for someone that wants to stay forever, and has the same ideas as us.
Everything you produce is yours we don't want anything off you.
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sounds lovely good luck :wave:
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Thats such a generous offer, hope someone will be able to take it up. Good luck with your search
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Hi, how nice of you, I know I could not share my land with anyone, well maybe my children...Hope you get what you want as you seem to know you goals :wave:
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Hi and welcome. :wave:
I was looking for land for ages and a friend came to my rescue and offered some of his on a share. I was so over the moon and we get on so well, off to market tomorrow with him to look at pigs.
it can work, but you have to find the right match and in the real world it can be fraught with possible scenarios; as i said though it can work well so the very best of luck and well done for giving someone the chance and opportunity of their dream respect to you indeed. If only you were here and not the other side the bridge :-[ ;) ;D
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I'd be interested in something like this. Please email me the details and we can discuss. Cheers. :farmer:
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Hi and welcome from North Yorkshire. :wave:
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hi,welcome from notts.....
wish i lived in wales...lol...been dieing to get out of a house and into a caravan on land!!!we rent our field 4 miles from the 'morgage hilted house' :wave:...x.good luck..x.
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Sorry it's took a while for me to reply
You have requested details, Frank
I know you said PM you, I thought others may wish to know more, I have PM'd you some other bits.
Details are:
We are looking for a derelict building with planning permission with land, we want approx 10 acres
We have offers in on 2 plots at present, one of which gets a decision today (we are in a bidding war, though we were highest bid as of last Wednesday, the closing date is today)
If we don't get either, their seems to be quite a lot of plots available,so it will just be a little while longer.
We will not move until we have sold our house (we need the money to do the build) we too could live in a caravan, though a large part of this is living the dream, on our tick list for our dream it does not say live in caravan.
All plots have water on land ie. stream, river.
We have the finances to be able to sort out water, drainage and electric.
We will be able to get planning permission for a caravan because of the build, once the build is complete we can then apply to keep the caravan for agricultural occupancy, and as whoever does this with us will have used it for that purpose then we believe we will be successful in keeping the caravan. (After a further 4 years you can apply to replace caravan with a house)
Why we want someone else:
We will not be there for 12 months only weekends, Security
We are not very creative people, therefore we cannot see the best place to put the veggie patch, nor do we know where to start, at home 50% of our garden is veg but we are not reliant on it and therefore really just play at it.
We will be planting some trees for fruit and fuel, we know which trees but cannot forsee where we should plant them.
We have the ability to offer someone else this oppurtunity so we will.
In the longterm we think it's a good idea if we can share this with someone as it doesn't take twice as much effort to grow twice as much food, i will be away 2 days a week most weeks and therefore my wife will be left to do all the work.
On a completly selfish note i would like to go sailing once a month and with other people around this will be easier than on our own.
I have my pig and chicken husbandry qualifications and some experience 1 year and 8 years.
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Good luck in your search, both for land and a partner. I have land and would love someone to share it with me. I have the vision (maybe :-\) but at 60 years old not the strength to carry things out.
I consider the important things about a smallholding partner is that
A you get on well enough to become friends.
B the person sharing does not try to take over thus leaving YOU as the one sharing THEIR land.
C has the same sort of aims as you.
D and most important has youth, strength, ambition and is not a wannabe dreamer!
Take your time and search carefully, it could end up a lovely experience or a nightmare.
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if only i had a source of income or id be at this like a shot but could not do it without money coming in from somewhere. shame your not closer lol
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if only i had a source of income or id be at this like a shot but could not do it without money coming in from somewhere. shame your not closer lol
A rather interesting point, we live in Great Britain, you don't need an income if you have no money coming in and none saved then our benefits system will feed and cloth you, our friends moved to the middle of nowhere sold their car (supposedly) therefore becoming unemployable as public transport u.s they have been on income support for over 10 years, they sign on every 3 months.
They have no mortgage, council tax paid (council tax benefit) and recieve over £100 per week
Their statement "What on earth are we mean't to spend all that money on"
I maybe niave (and fortunate to have an income) but isn't the idea grow, breed EAT
and live but a simple life.
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Yes, we all need to learn to live more simply and sustainably, that way we have fun, stay fit and healthy, eat better and save the planet too!!
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i been out of work and have tried almost everything to get work but not for waht i can do is about so im looking and trying for everything but the job centre dont pay me they just pay my stamp most of my rent and most of my council tax but that is it no money what so ever i get off them to feed my family i need to rely on my OH's 16 hrs a week and thats it so if i could garentee a job id grab an offer like this post with both hands
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My partner was made redundant eighteen months ago and he couldn't find a job that was suited to his training so he joined a couple of agencies and did whatever was going. Eventually (a week ago) he found the perfect full-time permanent job.
He was unemployed for less than a week.
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My partner was made redundant eighteen months ago and he couldn't find a job that was suited to his training so he joined a couple of agencies and did whatever was going. Eventually (a week ago) he found the perfect full-time permanent job.
He was unemployed for less than a week.
unfortunately i cannot take a day here a day there that the agencies are offering me its all rubbish they offer me and yes if i was single i would take it but if i do this now i will loose all my benifits or what i do get and then will have to sign on again in 6 weeks but im not into playing games have a few days this week few next i need a full time job as the 1st hour of work i do i will lose everything and wont be able to afford to live and be worse off from what i am now but im applying to about 20 jobs a week so im hoping i get a job asap
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Good luck in your search. The agencies down here seem to be better off than yours as Jim was working six and sometimes seven days a week. I would have forgotten where I was going!!
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I know this has nothing to do with the original message but here goes
Firstly good luck to all those looking for a job
Secondly I know of 3 jobs going full time permanent at £12,500 a year (warehouse)
Droitwich, Worcestershire
If anyone lives that way
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I am surprised no one jumped at our offer, oh well
We had our offer accepted, so i suspect 2 months down the line we will be the scared owners of our future
We think we've done ok
Brick barn with planning to convert to a 3 bed house (already started new roof on)
planning to build a double garage
planning for an access driveway
approx 1/2 mile driveway (owned by us)
8.55 acres of level land stock fenced
1 boundry with a large stream 230 yards of fishing rights
1 boundry 20 metres from barn is the river ifon (salmon river) with 650 yards of fishing rights
Electric on land approx 120 metres away
Mains water 1/2 mile down drive on our land
Mains sewerage on land 300 metres away
All we have to do know is convert it (sounds easy)
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i would of jumped at the chance 18 mths ago but now have a family and just would not be feasable but good luck in your quest and keep us informed with pics if poss good luck matty
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I'm still interested and have sent you another PM
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Sounds brilliant - many congratulations! You're right to plan in some "down time" sailing. It's so easy to get to working on the holding every waking minute and if you're not actually working, you're planning what to do next ;D
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if only i had a source of income or id be at this like a shot but could not do it without money coming in from somewhere. shame your not closer lol
A rather interesting point, we live in Great Britain, you don't need an income if you have no money coming in and none saved then our benefits system will feed and cloth you, our friends moved to the middle of nowhere sold their car (supposedly) therefore becoming unemployable as public transport u.s they have been on income support for over 10 years, they sign on every 3 months.
They have no mortgage, council tax paid (council tax benefit) and recieve over £100 per week
Their statement "What on earth are we mean't to spend all that money on"
I maybe niave (and fortunate to have an income) but isn't the idea grow, breed EAT
and live but a simple life.
This post touched a nerve with me. Your friends are nothing but spongers, as far as I'm concerned if you make yourself unemployable you should get sweet FA. I hope they get investigated for fraud. I have no problem with people living off their own means. Just as long as they don't expect a handout from us taxpayers. Britain and Europe are not third world countries and work is relatively easy to come by.
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Congratulations we wish you the best with your new venture :)
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On the separate note - If you can happily live on £100 a week then go for it as far as I am concerned, I dont give a hoot if some of my tax money goes to people who are happy to live on the breadline, as although the benefit spend is massive in the UK, its not one of its biggest spends that need to be cut. As long as people are not breaking into my house, car or garage for cash then its a far better solution to decrease poverty. Personally my petrol and diesel bill is more than £100 a week so I have no idea how people could survive on it and still create opportunities for themselves and their families to a road that betters their financial situation. - Also who knows in the past or in the future its possible that they may pay it all back in tax when jobs are found for them.
There are loads of people who also claim state benefits in the form of topups and claim more than what they pay into the tax system and these are what you would call 'normal working' people and are never (and should not be) persecuted for claiming.
Its the massive benefits that some people get for extortionate rents in town houses that bugs me because the main beneficiary from this is an already asset rich landlord/lady.
I agree that sometimes it seems a little unfair that some of mates are life long benefit claimers - but on the other hand we all have the option to do it as well if we wanted, which seems a fair system to me.
Ta
Baz
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all these notes on benefits,
I have quite an open mind and can see both sides and pretty much agree with all the points of view here.
The Inland revenue did a study a couple of years ago, the berevaty of the report was:-
If a person earns less than the national average wage throughout their working life they are a net reciever;
This means if your average, go to school, have your bins collected, have 2 children etc etc and you do not earn £25,000 a year every year of your working life then your actually taking from the system more in financial terms than your giving.
Therefore this applies to 92% of the population at some point and 68% of the population for their entire life.
So in knowing this you may be a benefit claimant (in some way) or certainly some of your family will be, should you or them be classed as cheats as you could in theory push yourself harder get a better job and earn more??
Some people are just happy with their lot.
Another thought! most people i know are aiming to retire at some point with a pension (state) this is a benefit,
are people who do not work just early retiree's ?? is it not that they are possibly smarter than the rest of us??
All mean't in an extremely light hearted manner these are just thoughts and are not my opinions.
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Hi There,
Good luck with your venture, I have a smallholding with a house being built on it some 600 miles from me, we just need to sell our house here and then we will be free to start a new life.
A friendly word of advice about letting someone live on your land for free, beware of squatters and maybe it would be best to get some legal agreement drawn up in case things go pear shaped.
Good Luck,
Digger.
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Hi All,
Probably not a good idea to discuss benefits, it only leads to fall outs, leave it to the politicians to mess things up, lighten up and discuss smallholding instead and try to forget about the big brother state,
happy Days................
Digger. ;D