The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Rosemary on January 29, 2014, 12:27:10 pm
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To those of you who have taken offence to any comment made by me, I am sorry that you were offended. It was never my intention to do so.
Those of you who know me will know that I am certainly not anti-English but I am pro-Scottish independence and I don't make a secret of it.
Since some folk have a problem spotting the difference and I have no wish to have my knuckles rapped yet again, I will bid you farewell!
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Oh Rosemary, don't go :'( You are The Accidental Smallholder
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What really gets me is that I KNOW shygirl and I couldn't have told you she was English. I could tell you what kind of pigs, dogs and cattle she has though.
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Oh, Rosemary, so sorry this has happened and made you want to leave. I have been upset myself on occasions, so can fully understand how you feel :hug:
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Sorry that you feel that you can't express your views freely here. I'm english by birth, but have lived in Scotland since i was 15 and I support independence and self governance for Scotland and have enjoyed the fact that this website allows views from all sides to be aired rather than much of the information presented by the pro-union press, which tends to be sensationalist and based on little substance and also paints pro-independance as being anti - english, its not!
it's not about building a big wall to keep english people out, there are lots of us who choose to live and work here. Its about finding a different way to make Scotland the best place it can be.
The policies designed at Westminster are designed for the majority of the UK population, which simply due to numbers are those living in England and always will be. The issues that need addressed in Scotland are often very different and solutions which work south of the border often have very little impact here.
It's simply about self governance and democracy. I would ask that you don't withdraw from the forum and don't let the Bullies win. let the issues around independance be discussed freely and respectfully by all participants as they impact on smallholders as much as any other citizens.
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Rosemary, I wouldn't want you or anyone to leave-I really appreciate the apology and explanation though. It can be difficult to communicate jokey comments in such a thread and it appears I took the comment the wrong way and for that I apologise. Having been subjected to racism (which is what the OP experienced in that thread) by extended family and even in public, I am sensitive to it.
This is a topic that's going to come up alot and I honestly respect those opinions in favour of Independence, its an emotive topic though.
Maybe a political thread/board might be a good idea? those that don't want to engage dont have to and those that do well 'whats said in the thread, stays in the thread'?
eta I am not a bully, I reported a comment that I found 'iffy'. I was not the only person to object to the comment but I couldnt reply to the thread as it was locked.
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Rosemary, I am probably one of the ones who got narked. I dont object to your passion for Scotland, I just dont really want to see it appear on a smallholder forum.
There is absolutely no need to follow through with your statement - in fact it would be quite wrong for the forum if you were to leave it.
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I too would like you to reconsider, i dont know you personnally, but it appears to me that you have a wealth of knowledge which you can share and I have the upmost respect for you and dan, (even if you are voting yes :innocent:)
this website .. your website... wouldn't be the same without you
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Wait a sec. I thought we were part of a discussion group in your living room. You can't leave - then we'd have no living room at all?!?
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Rosemary, I am probably one of the ones who got narked. I dont object to your passion for Scotland, I just dont really want to see it appear on a smallholder forum.
We specifically put boards on that were not smallholding related - Coffee Lounge, Current Affairs (jeez, THAT was fun), Jokes and funnies (another one that's caused a few "issues") for those who wanted to involve themselves in topics other than those directly related to smallholding. There's no compulsion to read them.
And thanks, for not objecting to my passion for Scotland. I feel better now. :)
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Wait a sec. I thought we were part of a discussion group in your living room. You can't leave - then we'd have no living room at all?!?
You can all be in Dan's living room. I'll just make the tea. ;D
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will there be bacon rolls?
;D ;D ;D
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will there be bacon rolls?
;D ;D ;D
Don't kick the arse out of it ;D ;D ;D
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No, it's not right for you to leave Rosemary.
I love TAS it's enormously helpful and I am so indebted to your creation of it, really.
I do think that areas for current affairs etc are calling out for friction to happen though. I never go in them now actually, just stick to smallholding matters, I can't be bothered with all this falling out and people getting shirty and over sensitive.
Let's just stick to smallholding folks, that's why we all came across TAS in the first place and it's brilliant.
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will there be bacon rolls?
;D ;D ;D
Don't kick the arse out of it ;D ;D ;D
but you make good bacon rolls :excited: :excited: :excited:
this is me being helpful, i'll go eat my lunch quietly in the corner now...
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Rosemary, I am probably one of the ones who got narked. I dont object to your passion for Scotland, I just dont really want to see it appear on a smallholder forum.
And thanks, for not objecting to my passion for Scotland. I feel better now. :)
Can I have my olive branch back please? :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
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will there be bacon rolls?
;D ;D ;D
Don't kick the arse out of it ;D ;D ;D
but you make good bacon rolls :excited: :excited: :excited:
this is me being helpful, i'll go eat my lunch quietly in the corner now...
Yeah, like when does that ever happen ;D ;D ;D
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I was going to say, Bloomer and quiet aren't two words you normally associate with each other :innocent:
:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
No offence meant Mr B :-* :hug:
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am crying a little bit inside now :gloomy: :gloomy: :gloomy:
you'll all miss me if i actually manage to get a full time job...
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Oh no, don't cry ! Not even a little !
Being talkative is what makes you, YOU - like being mental is what makes me, ME :thumbsup:
And yes, we would all miss you if you got a job (still :fc: that you do though)
K xx
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Toys on floor time again. :innocent:
Can't people have an adult discussion on here without someone taking the hump and threatening to leave.
So your Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish... whatever, who gives a damn.
There are terrible things going on in the world and we get upset about feeling excluded.
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So your Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish... whatever, who gives a damn.
Apparently quite a lot of folk.
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I don't know you and am fairly new to the forum but I think it would be such a shame to see you leave, we all have our passions and I think they should be applauded even if not always agreed with. I for one have benefitted from your advice and would really miss seeing your cheery profile picture pop up. :hug:
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You're not going anywhere you daft bugger, who would keep me in check? :innocent:
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Hopefully things can get back to normal and this can be put behind us without Rosmary leaving :-\
I am 50/50 English and Scottish mum was Scottish and dad was English so not sure where I fit in ::)
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I am 50/50 English and Scottish mum was Scottish and dad was English so not sure where I fit in ::)
You fit in right where you are. It's not an issue for me - I was kind of hurt that anyone should think that it was. I LOVE ENGLISH PEOPLE.
Anyway, once we're independent, we'll sequester Northumberland and Cumbria ;D (That's a joke, for the avoidance of doubt).
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Naw naw quine, jist bide awa here, it is no time for lousin yet for ye hiv cried naethin that should pit fowks nebs aglee.
Gie it a puckle days tae settle then git yokit again.
There's an affa fowks here fa value you mare nor ye micht jalouse.
Yer photies and yer screivin aboot yer nowt are fit maks me determined tae git Shetlands an a doobt theres a hantle o ithers that wid tell the same.
Masel an ma dame (fae Leeds fir a that it matters!) will baith be pittin wir aye doon fan the day comes so dinna be thinkin yer on yer ain oot there.
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You done the right thing I'm English living in Scotland wont vote and think if you wish to say ENE think .It do sent of end Whit people say its up to you .I no it means a lot to some people .After the vote you will feal better .Most dint no Whit it means my dad other crofters will vote yes .So say and do Whit you like speak soon .
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Naw naw quine, jist bide awa here, it is no time for lousin yet for ye hiv cried naethin that should pit fowks nebs aglee.
Gie it a puckle days tae settle then git yokit again.
There's an affa fowks here fa value you mare nor ye micht jalouse.
Yer photies and yer screivin aboot yer nowt are fit maks me determined tae git Shetlands an a doobt theres a hantle o ithers that wid tell the same.
Masel an ma dame (fae Leeds fir a that it matters!) will baith be pittin wir aye doon fan the day comes so dinna be thinkin yer on yer ain oot there.
I'd like to point out we can't moderate posts written in foreign languages, please use proper english at all times... ;D ;D ;D
For clarity i'm 99% joking.
we do as a matter of course delete posts in languages we cannot understand... oh and google translator couldn't help in this case either...
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Naw naw quine, jist bide awa here, it is no time for lousin yet for ye hiv cried naethin that should pit fowks nebs aglee.
Gie it a puckle days tae settle then git yokit again.
There's an affa fowks here fa value you mare nor ye micht jalouse.
Yer photies and yer screivin aboot yer nowt are fit maks me determined tae git Shetlands an a doobt theres a hantle o ithers that wid tell the same.
Masel an ma dame (fae Leeds fir a that it matters!) will baith be pittin wir aye doon fan the day comes so dinna be thinkin yer on yer ain oot there.
I'd like to point out we can't moderate posts written in foreign languages, please use proper english at all times... ;D ;D ;D
For clarity i'm 99% joking.
we do as a matter of course delete posts in languages we cannot understand... oh and google translator couldn't help in this case either...
:roflanim: love it
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OK, rough translation.
"No lass, stay as you are here, it is not time for you to finish (leave) as you have said nothing that should put peoples noses out of joint. Give yourself a few days to settle then come back (to the forum).
There are a lot of people here who value you more than you might suspect.
Your photos and writing about your cattle are what has made me determined to get Shetlands and I reckon that there are others that would say the same.
I will be voting with you so don't feel that you are a lone voice out there.
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I avoid the 'Coffee Lounge' on this (and any other forums) for this very reason. :)
This forum is about smallholding, is it really a place where people should be venting their day-to-day troubles?
(And yes some folk do need to learn how to write properly! A bit of proper spellin', punctuation and grammar never hurt anyone, but it makes things so much easier to read for the rest of us!! (regardless of the language) :))
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I'd like to point out we can't moderate posts written in foreign languages, please use proper english at all times... ;D ;D ;D
Bloomer, you do realise that if there's a Yes vote in September you'll have to learn to speak like that too, don't you? ;)
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its ok my 4 year old is learning fast, she will be able to translate for me soon...
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Rosemary you utter Jessie ;)!!
I went to the other thread expecting a catalogue of insult on insult, blood stained keyboards and shattered mouses..... all in the cause of pointing out that someone on the internet is WRONG!
That is the MILDEST thread eva! If THAT is a drama around here, you need to spike up your cocoa.
Now, put the drama queen outfit away, get Dan's tea on and stop those people advertising kitchens... there's a good wee lass :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
*runs away quickly*
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Rosemary you utter Jessie ;)!!
I went to the other thread expecting a catalogue of insult on insult, blood stained keyboards and shattered mouses..... all in the cause of pointing out that someone on the internet is WRONG!
That is the MILDEST thread eva! If THAT is a drama around here, you need to spike up your cocoa.
Now, put the drama queen outfit away, get Dan's tea on and stop those people advertising kitchens... there's a good wee lass :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
*runs away quickly*
SO funny!!! :roflanim:
OK, I threw my toys out the pram after some gypsy bashing ages ago (it did happen around the time my children were being physically abused at school for being 'pikies' - even though they are actually diddydiddycoys but i digress....)
FWIW, I didn't see YOUR comment as being an issue Rosemary. I know you via Fb and have been a member on here since 2009 (even though i left so lost my aged status levels lol) - you say it as you see it, you have a sharp sense of humour but you also have a heart of gold. so NO, you aren't leaving. You are staying put :huff:
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Well i reckon you should be hung , drawn and quartered , and the bits taken to the four corners of the country !
You should behave with decorum , be well balanced in view and speak with kindness and fairness , just as i always do !
Not really mate , nationality can cause even the mildest mannered peeps to go wobbly . The EU is my thing , not europeans , but the eu , very different things . I hate the eu and all it stands for , so i can understand the desire for independence .
I don't think you need go anywhere mate , i thìnk Mel Gibsons accent in Braveheart was far more offensive than anything you have said .
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On the subject of Nationalistic fervor, wait till next weekend ---6 nations Rugby begins...YES :excited:
( there will be another blue and white wooden spoon for the collection )
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oh no. i hope this isnt my fault. i will keep my posts to pigs and cows from now on :-[ :-[ :-[
:bouquet: :hug: :love:
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On the subject of Nationalistic fervor, wait till next weekend ---6 nations Rugby begins...YES :excited:
( there will be another blue and white wooden spoon for the collection )
I guess so but we'll win it with pride ;D I remember the days of David Sole and Big Gav... ( although Big Gav seems to be a bit of a dick but hey ho).
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oh no. i hope this isnt my fault. i will keep my posts to pigs and cows from now on :-[ :-[ :-[
:bouquet: :hug: :love:
Not at all :) I was a bit miffed at being called anti-English. As I said, I actually know you in real life and couldn't have said if you were English, Scottish or otherwise - but I did know that you had a Labrador, a GSD and a wee hairy dug that I wanted to bring home ;D
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Rosemary, I love you to pieces :hug: :love: and that means loving your almost overwhelming desire for Independence for Scotland. I'll tell you a secret though - I read such posts using the same filter most men use when their woman is on 'transmit' ;) :roflanim: :roflanim:
(Anyway, once we're independent, we'll sequester Northumberland and Cumbria ;D (That's a joke, for the avoidance of doubt).
I listened to this bit, though. I kinda like it... :D)
And, because I know you in real life as well as on here and FB, I know that you are the very last person to ever be or say anything anti-English :-* :-* Anti-English-government, heck yes! But anti-English people, no, never.
And I also love that you have an acerbic wit and are very human. ;)
I had a cat once had a highly-developed sense of right. If I went to reprimand him and it was his fault, he'd take it like a man. If it wasn't his fault, he'd hold his paw up and refuse to accept the ticking off. He would also put his paw up in front of the dog if I was about to tick the dog off, and it wasn't the dog's fault.
Dan :wave: - this is me putting my hand up in front of Rosie ! It wasnae her fault! Actually I thought the whole thread did well - bound to be emotive and I thought we debated well and without insult or ill humour. I was really surprised to see it locked.
Rosie, you can't possibly leave, that's bonkers.
But I'm actually glad you started this thread - it's been one of the most fun threads I've read in ages! :roflanim:
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Freedom of speech in this country use to be ok. Now we all have to watch our p's and q's. Stay Rosemary. I am Scottish with a son married and living in Wales, a brother in England and Aunts plus cousins so not one for knocking the country.
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Don't you DARE bugger off :rant: :rant:
You and Dan are the major facilitators for so many of us to take the plunge into the world of Smallholding because you are so INCLUSIVE to everyone. :sunshine: :sunshine:
You can't control how other people react to what you may say/write, you can only have the knowledge that you are true to yourself so be content in that.
Oh and BTW I'm not English, or Scottish - I'm Celtic :excited:
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Is this another domestic? :innocent: :roflanim: Don't let Dan bully you - we love you and if HE doesn't I'll take him off your hands and MAKE him vote YES - That'll teach him :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
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Rosemary, I certainly wasn't offended by anything you said. As far as I'm concerned, we were all having a healthy debate. Shame is started to go the wrong way.
I enjoy debating issues on here. In real life, I tend to get shouted down. Here I can have my say uninterrupted.
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Is this another domestic? :innocent: :roflanim: Don't let Dan bully you - we love you and if HE doesn't I'll take him off your hands and MAKE him vote YES - That'll teach him :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Oh no, this wasn't a "domestic" - not really something we indulge in :) And he's as committed to Scottish independence as I am. No fears of a "No" vote there :thumbsup:
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As others have said you are the tas and it would not be anything like the same without you. I personally felt that the supposed offending remark was clearly tongue in cheek. The way it ws phrased made this obvious. Though as others have also said the Internet is not always the best place to indulge in such banter as it can be difficult to pick up some of the more subtle nuances of communication. My own problem with that thread was not your remark at all but the way that it became increasingly testy. Like others have said I prefer my tas when its about animals and smallholding issues. Tho I guess I just need to stay out the coffee lounge in future. . You have created my most valuable resource in looking after my livestock for which I thank you. I sincerely hope you don't go anywhere :hug:
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Can we just clarify that this isn't Goodbye now? It's quite a long death speech so far ;)
So as it just seems to be "Sorry" that's all well and good.
;D :relief:
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She only wanted a group hug, :huff: Toys out of the pram :bunny: Just pat her on the head :bouquet: Give her a cuddle :hug: . ( bugger , I can't find the "patronising old git " smiley.)....
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Just realised that by saying " you are the tas" what I in fact said was " you are the the accidental smallholder" I believe thats known as a tautology. Just sayin'......
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She only wanted a group hug, :huff: Toys out of the pram :bunny: Just pat her on the head :bouquet: Give her a cuddle :hug: . ( bugger , I can't find the "patronising old git " smiley.)....
In other words we love you, Rosie :love: :love: Too long since I've seen you but I'll be at a show on the 22nd so will be in past! xx
PS the 'domestic' comment was a joke! BTW :innocent:
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The good old art of conversation, if people don't agree with what someone says and they know each other, why not speak to each other rather than put it on a forum. See it all the time on Facebook. A simple misunderstanding blown out of all proportion from what I can see, just my opinion.
As it is miserable weather outside :gloomy: I realised there is a more important topic in here, how about letting England vote on whether Scotland gets Independence, think I know the answer to that one. :innocent: :innocent:
Sorry just bored and mischief making. ;)
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Hazel, of coarse we would let them have their independance, on condition they keep their hands out of of our pockets and take back all the Scottish Mp's from the Commons, and all the scroungers from the Lords. I wonder if there will be any English MPs in the Scottish parliament :innocent: Daft thought wasn't it...
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FFS guys >:( behave!
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Doug, you know they will only cherry pick the things they want to have control over. We will still have to finance their schools, hospitals, emergency services and they will want to stick their noses into the running of our government. Very like in Wales. :thinking:
These wet days bring out the worst in me. :stir:
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Doug, you know they will only cherry pick the things they want to have control over. We will still have to finance their schools, hospitals, emergency services and they will want to stick their noses into the running of our government. Very like in Wales. :thinking:
These wet days bring out the worst in me. :stir:
You shouldn't judge others as you would do yourself :roflanim:
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Guys, have a little sensitivity, can't you.
This thread got started because Rosemary found herself in hot water partly because of her passion for an independent Scotland.
You've used the 'stirring' icon, BB, and that's exactly what you are doing. Do it if you must, but do it somewhere else on your own thread, don't create unpleasantness in Rosemary's apology thread.
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Wow, how sad, some people have real difficulty with showing a little *personal* respect and humility.
Even if you disagree with someone's opinions can't you at least drag yourselves up to the pavement and act with a little decency and sensitivity?
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Nice to see some people took my comment with the sense of humour it was intended with on this wet day.
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Thanks, Dan (my English OH), Sally (my English friend) - but really, most days I can deal with this sort of post and recognise it for the :stir: that it is.
I took it as humour, Hazel Hollow :)
Thanks almost everyone for all your kind words - tizaala was right (patronsing old git icon here and :hug: ) - I spat out the dummy. Head now duly patted and feeling :sunshine: .
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Nice one :)
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Glad you took it the way it was meant, It's not the people that get us wound up, it's the governments. And you know 99% of my posts are :-J anyway . I think I can say we all love Rosemary and Dan and are grateful for all their hard work.
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How about locking this now Rosie? xx :thumbsup:
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Dan i am curious as to why my tongue in cheek comments put me in the gutter when blatant racist anti English comments in other posts go unchecked. :thinking:
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Dan i am curious as to why my tongue in cheek comments put me in the gutter when blatant racist anti English comments in other posts go unchecked. :thinking:
Point out to me the blatant anti english comments please.
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Dan i am curious as to why my tongue in cheek comments put me in the gutter when blatant racist anti English comments in other posts go unchecked. :thinking:
<sigh> I've had the same endless exchange with Bodger. Please point out the 'blatant racist anti English comments' and we can deal with them. You're making serious allegations without providing any evidence.
'Tongue in cheek'? Maybe you should familiarise yourself with the smiley for that, or did your hand slip and you got 'stirring' instead? ;)
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Dan i am curious as to why my tongue in cheek comments put me in the gutter when blatant racist anti English comments in other posts go unchecked. :thinking:
Point out to me the blatant anti english comments please.
Yes, and me. I haven't seen any and I am English.
Rosemary, I think it was very gracious of you to apologise when you hadn't actually done anything wrong. :bouquet:
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What I find sad....is that IMO only...I may stress....and my perception of the way the thread was going.....that it is.the wrong person apologising.....impassioned yes......a little strong yes maybe.......but the other contender was just downright belligerent and not for the first time.......
I hope this is an end to it all... :bouquet:
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Well, Padge, it's transferred to another thread on Scottish independence :)
I will lock this one - thanks for kind words. Much appreciated.