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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: Roxy on September 18, 2012, 11:19:21 pm
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I cannot believe that man lured the two PC's to that house, and then shot them. They never stood a chance did they? Absolutely terrible. I thought the Police wore bullet proof vests - at least those in cities. Although these ladies were not in a city, but a town ....a town about 5 miles from me. I was at my friends farm in Mottram delivering hay on Sunday afternoon. Its a big estate, locally known as the overspill from Manchester. Never known anything as terrible as this happen there.
It makes you think, you do not know what lies ahead when you set off for work in a morning. Those poor PC's were only doing their job ....frightening to think people in this country are carrying guns, and our Police are largely unarmed.
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My son wears a stab and bullet resistant jacket but it only covers the torso and even then you can be unlucky if a bullet enters an armhole. But they're awkward and not everyone wears them all the time. Some forces offer a lighter stab vest but it's a compromise.
It's these situations that ensures that the next stupid sod who waves a toy pistol in public will get shot.
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Well that's why the coward handed himself in, isn't it. Because the police forces around the country would have made damn sure he was shot when he was finally caught. Quite right too.
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They should hang the murdering scum.
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That murderer is responsible for the death of 4 people, just a cold blooded killer. with a ready supply of guns ammo and grenades,
We now have to look after him and protect him for the rest of his life , He now has more rights than you or I,
those girls had given 5 years and 3 years service protecting the public , one was about to marry .
All we need now is a length of rope for this bastard, I would willingly supply it and use it. :rant:
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So sad for their families :'(
But I hope it never leads to our police being routinely armed.
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It is very sad. I used to be a special constable and I know vulnerable the police can be at times. Having said that I don't believe they should be routinely armed either.
Bring back hanging
Sally
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2014 , semi automatic rifles for the general police .
Then there are europol, the eu police set to replace the british police , they are already armed .
The info is all there on the web site of the United States of Europe , of which the former UK is part of .
The list of unarmed civilians shot and killed by the police , is far bigger than the one of police shot by civilians .
Why should the police be allowed to commit murder , because they are the good guys ? Mmmm Simon Harwood , the bastards that pumped Jean Charles De Menenez full of 'ilegal' dum dum bullets , 5 , in what was once his head !
It is , however , terrible that these poor young ladies got shot by this nutter , but he is one of very few , and knee jerk reactions are not what is needed at a time like this .
Law and justice are what is needed , otherwise feckit , lets all have guns and blow the crap out of each other , grab a rope and hang who we 'think' is the guilty one !
Trial by jury not by media and vigilanties , otherwise we are no better than the bad guys . Which ones are they again ?
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So sad for their families :'(
But I hope it never leads to our police being routinely armed.
Hear hear on both counts
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2014 , semi automatic rifles for the general police .
Then there are europol, the eu police set to replace the british police , they are already armed .
The info is all there on the web site of the United States of Europe , of which the former UK is part of .
The list of unarmed civilians shot and killed by the police , is far bigger than the one of police shot by civilians .
Why should the police be allowed to commit murder , because they are the good guys ? Mmmm Simon Harwood , the bastards that pumped Jean Charles De Menenez full of 'ilegal' dum dum bullets , 5 , in what was once his head !
It is , however , terrible that these poor young ladies got shot by this nutter , but he is one of very few , and knee jerk reactions are not what is needed at a time like this .
Law and justice are what is needed , otherwise feckit , lets all have guns and blow the crap out of each other , grab a rope and hang who we 'think' is the guilty one !
Trial by jury not by media and vigilanties , otherwise we are no better than the bad guys . Which ones are they again ?
Oh, well said Russ. :thumbsup:
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My sympathies also go out to their families, friends and colleagues, particularly the poor man who was planning his wedding. :bouquet:
I don't think our police should be armed. It will only encourage criminals to use guns just in case. Ruass, I agree with what you said.
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I heard on the radio this morning that 76 policemen/women have been killed in the line of duty since 1945 (I THINK it was that date, defo 76). Each a terrible tragedy for those involved.
Don't know if that includes the poor guy who topped himself after being blinded by Raul Moat.
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Weapons in the wrong hands lead to tragedies but I don't know what the solution is other than arming some of the police. I saw a pair of armed police in St Pancras station this week and it is chilling. Personally I don't want to see the return of hanging, though. I remember hangings being reported on the radio when I was at school. I do waver sometimes though.
Rustyme, the dum-dum bullet was banned under the Hague Convention for military use before the first world war since when some far nastier weaponry has been developed. Napalm for example is still legal for military use and cluster bombs have only recently been banned. Hollow point bullets are widely used for hunting. Their advantage is that they stay in the target rather than going straight through and hitting whatever is half a mile behind. That's exactly why the police use them: whether or not the shooting is justified nobody wants bystanders injured.
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But I hope it never leads to our police being routinely armed
I used to think that. But actually,now I think they deal with too many dangerous situations not to be. Maybe at least some of the scum would think twice if they knew they could be shot when they attack people. I don't want people who are protecting me to be unprotected themselves.
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your more likely to die in police custody then by terrorism. 1433 since 1990. not one copper has been convicted of any of these deaths. including ian tomlinsons killer.
76 coppers since 1945? 1 ish a year? hardly an 'at risk' group, considering the pay and pension.
blatant cases of murder should be prosecuted by hanging in my book.
please dont arm the police. theyre vicious enough as it is.
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What on earth napalm has to do with it i have no idea ?
So far even plod haven't used that on us , yet .
What next , mini nukes ?
The rights and wrongs of weapons of mass destruction , are the realm of that arsehole Tony Blair and his power crazed elite mob of murderers , not , as yet , for the average plod , who i wouldn't trust with a water pistol , let alone a gun .
How many more ways of inflicting harm on us do the police need ?
Metal bars to beat us ,
dogs to attack us ,
tazzers to electricute us ,
cs spray to disable us , but all these are used on us for our own good ! If you aren't doing anything wrong , you are safe , ask Ian Thomlinson , er oh no , you can't, he is dead . The man that killed him will still get his pension .
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blatant cases of murder should be prosecuted by hanging in my book.
including Ruth Ellis?
The police have to deal with all part of society, some of whom are very sick. My boy was called out to a guy last week who was behaving oddly. He wouldn't speak and had no ID. But there were wrappers from 32 Ibuprofen 400mg tablets in his pockets. So he was sectioned under the Mental Health Act and taken to hospital where a bank card was found and gradually his identity established and his wife located. That situation could have played out a number of different ways, but the reality is the police are an essential part of social services.
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blatant cases of murder should be prosecuted by hanging in my book.
including Ruth Ellis?
The police have to deal with all part of society, some of whom are very sick. My boy was called out to a guy last week who was behaving oddly. He wouldn't speak and had no ID. But there were wrappers from 32 Ibuprofen 400mg tablets in his pockets. So he was sectioned under the Mental Health Act and taken to hospital where a bank card was found and gradually his identity established and his wife located. That situation could have played out a number of different ways, but the reality is the police are an essential part of social services.
forensic science as moved on since then.
i 100% agree that the police are part of the 'social services', the clue is in the term.
mental illness isnt implicated in this case, he was just a gangster probably crackhead. it does that to people...
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Most of the people that live in the UK are law abiding and the police are there to see that that remains the case.
There are seriously evil people out there and when one goes on the rampage who gets called out ?
They should arm all the police and bring back the birch and hanging.
There are also bad coppers, just like the one that murdered Tomlinson, but not all coppers are bad and not all citizens are bad.
Most of us live in a cosy little world well away from the gutters of life in the inner cities and I for one wouldn't want a job as a police officer dealing with the scum of our country on a daily basis.
You are always going to get people having a go at the police, but bet your life they are the first to get a call if they get any problems.
Ranting that all coppers are bent and useless will not solve the problems.
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Come on folks, two lassies were murdered in cold blood yesterday. I think that's why the thread was started - as a mark of respect for them and in sympathy with their families, friends and colleagues (at least that's my interpretation).
It's entirely inappropriate to hijack it for more "police bashing".
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Your not wrong Rosemary.
Just a couple of young women doing a job that we need them to do.
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My apologies. It brings it closer to home
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My brother was in the army for years, he then went into the police and told us there was more chance of him being killed there than all his time in the army. Now retired but still gets things done to his car and house because he was in the police. justice in this country is a joke and those poor woman shot for what.
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Come on folks, two lassies were murdered in cold blood yesterday. I think that's why the thread was started - as a mark of respect for them and in sympathy with their families, friends and colleagues (at least that's my interpretation).
It's entirely inappropriate to hijack it for more "police bashing".
Well said, Rosemary.
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Come on folks, two lassies were murdered in cold blood yesterday. I think that's why the thread was started - as a mark of respect for them and in sympathy with their families, friends and colleagues (at least that's my interpretation).
It's entirely inappropriate to hijack it for more "police bashing".
Well said Rosemary :thumbsup:
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Come on folks, two lassies were murdered in cold blood yesterday. I think that's why the thread was started - as a mark of respect for them and in sympathy with their families, friends and colleagues (at least that's my interpretation).
It's entirely inappropriate to hijack it for more "police bashing".
Completely agree.
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yup i agree too.
the issue is that this happens in todays society.
i would hang.
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These two women were people's daughter, sister, cousin, aunty. They went out to do a days work and help society keep crime at bay. Somebody called for assistance and they went to help!
Nothing could prepare them for what they were to encounter, no guns or any other weapons. It was a callus, merciless killing by some very disturbed member of the public.
I certainly couldn't do their job and take my hat off to them.
My thoughts go out to those people who are family and friends :bouquet: