The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: deepinthewoods on August 22, 2012, 12:20:57 pm
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theres 2 days left to stop the 'big brother' surveillance act. please read this and sign the petition. already, everything you write on facebook is admissable in court,
this new bill really is a step to far. everything you write, sites you visit, private communications are all set to be monitored and stored.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_big_brother_law_1/ (http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_big_brother_law_1/)
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Originally planned to be part of the anti terrorist and rioter and internet grooming control, now that the news of the world is no longer doing the Government listening in jobs, looks like job creation at GCHQ. Nothing new , the've always done it, I don't think the ordinary man in the street will have anything to worry about as long as it takes the baddies out of the frame. :thinking:
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no tiz. your missing the point!!
this has npothing to do with sorting out the baddies. this is to ensure that in the future, the government can do whatever it likes without the general population being able to do anything about it.
for example. if they were to decide to privatise the nhs and you wished to organize a protest you wouldnt be able to without them knowing.
would you be happy to have every peice of mail you sent in the post, steamed open, copied and filed just in case you did something wrong in the future. thats what this bill means.
how many people on this forum have posted about how they feed kitchen scraps to pigs etc etc, if this bill comes in that would be admissable as evidence in a court of law.
please wake up and smell the roses. this is an erosion of your privacy solely to prevent dissent in the future.
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The state this country is in - rip off britain, immigration etc etc this is the least of my worries!!
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I signed this weeks ago, but my point is , THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT. Everthing transmittable is listenable, there are whole sections of GCHQ dedicated to this work , if you want a private conversation then buy a stamp. :innocent:
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Gosh DITW - there is an element of scaremongering here. You are absolutely right about what the bill means that TECHNICALLY you could be picked up for feeding pigs from the kitchen but REALLY? How many people do you think the government would have to employ to find that out and act up on it - unless they employ the staff of the google empire.
My guess is that the information would be used retrospectively if there were a serious consequence related to your actions ( swine fever outbreak etc).
The balance for me is that I will accept the monitoring as a (relatively) law abiding citizen even though i dont like it because there is a fair chance it will keep me safe from some of the nutters out there.
I think it will drive the critical information underground (terrorists using the postal service tickles me).
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this was my point with e aml you have committed yourself if you inadvertently break the law on any number of points that you write tax insurance mot if the vehicle is roadworthy is the trailer roadworthy your average speed the route taken suitable rest periods for you and the stock
your only defence would be to plead insanity :farmer:
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your only defence would be to plead insanity :farmer:
I'm pretty sure as we've declared ourselves smallholders, they've already got us on that one :P
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it wasnt scaremongering, it was an example.
i just want to make sure that my kids have the same rights as i have been accustomed to. the next generation has already got one whole heap of sh.t to sort out that our generation will leave, freedom of speech and the right to privacy is about to be lost.
look at the bigger picture, if you think that by watching news night you know whats going on in the world then your wrong, 80% of ALL journalism in this country is fed by the pr agencies of the government.
dont be sheeple, be free people!
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and none of this will PREVENT crime, kids will still be fiddled with, yes it might mean that it catches a few, but all this bill will do is push these crimes OFF the internet, and make it HARDER to catch them.
as if a terrorist ever put up a bomb plot on his fb status....
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If I had any faith in the authorities actually being able to use the technology to access quadrillion bits of information I'd sign the petition. I've seen one police station where the access password is written on a post-it note on the screen!
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DITW - i know it was an example and I agree broadly with what you are saying.
I am intelligent enough to be aware of what we are being fed through all forms of media is 99% controlled where i also accept there is a percentage of the population who live in blissful ignorance.
I just want to keep some form of perspective because the alternative is paranoia. If the monitoring and protection is not there then the mood might turn to fear.
I would be sheeple if i blindly accepted what you say without making a rational and considered choice.
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Not another petition for god sake.
Surely there are better ways to spend your time than clicking on a petition. If you click on it 'THEY' will know who you are :excited:
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I'm with you DITW.
Call me paranoid all you like folks, it's too late when it's too late!
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Not another petition for god sake.
Surely there are better ways to spend your time than clicking on a petition. If you click on it 'THEY' will know who you are :excited:
and how much time does clicking a petition take?
rosie posie, thanks.
i suppose its the twin towers syndrome, when 3 towers came down.
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Why is it DITW that you and rustyme think they know what is going on really and that everyone else is stupid. Are you sure you are not the dangerous ones. :thinking:
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i havent said anyones stupid. ,
if i thought that i wouldnt offer these points up for discussion.
however, i do find it disconcerting that the times i do offer these up, i get the same people repeating the same accusations.
in a democracy im allowed to have my opinion. there is nothing dangerous in that.
what is dangerous, is that this government is determined to monitor and store all our personal communications.
hence my post.
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where i also accept there is a percentage of the population who live in blissful ignorance.
Hey, that's me! :wave:
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:wave: hi rosemary - best place to be IMO - we made need a new 'in blissful ignorance' emoticon
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thats the spirit!
my grandad who fought hitler to protect your right to blissful ignorance would be turning in his grave.
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I'd like a 'sit on the fence' one please. :excited:
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i havent said anyones stupid. ,
if i thought that i wouldnt offer these points up for discussion.
however, i do find it disconcerting that the times i do offer these up, i get the same people repeating the same accusations.
in a democracy im allowed to have my opinion. there is nothing dangerous in that.
what is dangerous, is that this government is determined to monitor and store all our personal communications.
hence my post.
I was worried when I ehard on the news today a discussion on keeping tabs on us for various reasons. Even if you go through a red light, or go a tad fast through a timed speed limit, it is recorded somewhere and attributed to you. It scares me to be honest and I haven't ever done anything bad :'(.... except rile folk with my straight talking :innocent:
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thats true too, thanks annie.
most roads in the uk have anpr cameras mounted on them for this very reason.
get ready for toll roads!!
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as if we are not taxed enough already just look at the tax on fuel road tax insurance tax vat on everything else hee haw left to spend on anything else :rant:
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exactly robert, but, say you wanted to organise a protest against that, how would you, if you were being monitored 24/7 ??
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If the UK is such a bad place to live why not move to another country.
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its not.
but if its people arent careful it soon will be.
this bill would make us one of the 3 countrys in the world that have this law, us, china and iran.
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Well Deep I'm afraid signing a petition will not make the slightest bit of difference to the way things pan out.
A few years back all hell kicked off about the price of road fuel it didn't stop it going up in price though.
Whenever your feeling low heres the way to go just give a little whistle :innocent: and
Always look on the bright side of life de de de de dum de de :excited:
No wonder you want to stay in the UK your in Cornwall...lovely. I lived at Budock Vein (Mawnan Smith).
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well, thats where your wrong.
the olympics tax dodge by macdonalds, cocacola and siemens was stopped by the petitions previously put up. instead of them not paying tax on their profits from selling stuff at the olympics, they now have, resulting in a fir few more quid for the treasury i should think.
maybe you should try doing a bit of research yourself before you hum yourself into lala land.
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If nothing else, the fact that the only other countries with this law are China and Iran convinces me - what company to keep!
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Those companies were shamed into doing that DITW - shame is that the government have no shame.
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No wonder you want to stay in the UK your in Cornwall...lovely. I lived at Budock Vein (Mawnan Smith).
i cant leave the uk, because i havent the money to move.
absolutely jaykay, its embarressing, how does every other country maintain security?
greenerlife, exactly. i hope this government is ashamed of this bill too.
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the organisers of the fuel protests were hounded by the police and vosa after there involvment
hmrc did a survey on red diesel years ago if you were george raft you had to fill out a form to lobby them all your details company how much fuel you used etc etc etc all your details on a plate for them to screw you
mobile cranes are allowed to run on red they were supposed to run on white but the crane owners banded together and told the goverment straight they would all fill up with white at the same time and bring the garages to a halt even threatiningg that the cranes would rip the canopys down closing them down and they still run on red clogging up the motorways every morning :rant:
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If nothing else, the fact that the only other countries with this law are China and Iran convinces me - what company to keep!
Amen to that ! Seems we are being dictated to in the UK more and more ::)
I'm not a diehard supporter of conspiricy theories (but there are some which IMHO are soooo true :innocent:) and I don't like to think too much about stuff like this because it depresses and scares the life out of me - what have my kids got to look forward to :-\
BUT I still like to read about it and know about it, because even if there's not much we can do knowledge is power ;) There's always going to come a time when all us 'little people' will be able to "stick it to the man" in one way or another :thumbsup:
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Could potentially be used for the good and as I, of course, do no wrong ;D , think how could it harm anyone that has nothing to hide.
However, can see the possibilities for it being a dangerous thing for the masses in the future ... how likely, I suppose only time will tell. Feel it a bit worrying to say the least if you look at the other countries using this :o :o :o
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i am not a conspiracy theorist. but i do like to be aware of how the laws of my country are being used.
this bill isnt hidden, its right in your faces, theres nothing conspiritorial here, just a chance to try and influence how the democracy of this country develops, im heartened by the supportive comments, thanks.
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I feel your pain DITW. We in the USA are also walking around in the "Brave New World".
Stop explaining that you aren't a conspiracy nut. It won't make a difference. The blissfully ignorant are happy in their quiet places.
People refuse to see the abuse of power that can occur once these laws are on the books. The truly evil or crimminal will skirt the laws, we honest folk will be caught in the dragnet.
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I feel your pain DITW. We in the USA are also walking around in the "Brave New World".
Stop explaining that you aren't a conspiracy nut. It won't make a difference. The blissfully ignorant are happy in their quiet places.
People refuse to see the abuse of power that can occur once these laws are on the books. The truly evil or crimminal will skirt the laws, we honest folk will be caught in the dragnet.
yes, and this is the issue, as a uk citizen i am innocent until proved guilty, not assumed guilty and monitored.
unfortunatly blissful ignorance eludes me, as i worry about the world i am leaving for my daughter.
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I totally agree with supporting a cause you believe in, whether its signing petitions or campaigning. There's always those who say "Someone should do something about that...." and those people happily wait for someone else to do that something...
Good on you DITW for giving people the channel to sign this if they so choose. We might not have heard about it otherwise.
And...thank you for the quote that made me spit coffee on my keyboard ::) [size=78%] '[/size][size=78%]before you hum yourself into lala land.' [/size][/color]
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In 2005 ish , the ex head of the kgb said that the uk government had more control and information on the people of the uk , than he ever had in the ussr .
He warned the people of the usa and the uk to be very careful of what we allow tptb to get away with and what laws they make .
The phrase 'conspiracy theory' is one tagged on to any subject that tptb want to hide the true facts of .
The very fact that there are a few people who are prepared to question what tptb do , and to search out as much information as they can ,
and to forward that info for others to see , means that there is at least the glimmer of a hope , of keeping the freedoms the people of the uk have had for the last 50 or so years .
Apart from the corrupt , multi millionair , ruling elite , the corporate and banking cobal that they serve , the most dangerous people are the ones that , for some reason , continue to accept everything that tptb do and say , without question .
The more vocal of which are the mock ridicule and attack brigade .
The government know that they can control the people without them even being aware they are so being !
The work of Edward Bernays (sp) is absolute proof of this . As is the fact that the government actually set up a special dept to do this .
Like ditw and a few others , i question laws that are imposed on us without any mandate or legitimate reason . We are still , albeit just , a free democracy . But if we allow tptb free reigne that freedom will be gone in the blink of an eye .
All i ever want is for people to question ! Not to blindly accept all that tptb do .
What is it that the mock ridicule attack brigade fear , for fear it is , the truth ?
How can asking questions do harm ?
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:thumbsup: well said russ.
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I'm off to Aldi to stock up on tin foil to make Faraday cages for my brain cells. But THEY will read this------and take it off sale ....oh bugger theve got me again.... :innocent:
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that ok tiz, they already know you havent got any brain cells.. :o ;) ;D
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I worry about Facebook, although absolutely everything is private on my page even my friends list but can journalists and government bodies have easy access to the pages even if they are private ??? I have put all sorts on there.
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well Linda you are a journalist so you should know what goes into getting a good story the news of the world seamed to be able to hack into anything and what they could not evesdrop on they invented :farmer:
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yes they can, for a price. facebook is a buisness that uses all your information for commercial purposes. everything you write is also admissable as evidence in a court of law.
and was funded by the cia
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/376026/20120822/facebook-cia-darpa-tanking-ipo.htm (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/376026/20120822/facebook-cia-darpa-tanking-ipo.htm)
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That makes scary reading, but we are niaive to think that facebook and others like it won't at some time be used by intelligence. It makes me want to delete my account.
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Probably everything we put on here will be accessed at some time in the future too. I have a feeling we are long past the point of no return. :gloomy: :'(
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it already is as its a public forum annie, with god knows how many viewers across the globe, the difference with this bill is that all your private stuff will be legally viewable too, and your mobile texts and contacts as well, and stored for ever more!!!
what really gets me, is that the internet could and should be a force for good, enabling people to exercise their democratic right, as has been shown by the revolutions in lybia and egypt, although i do wonder whether that also was a cia excercise...
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Ditw you do make me laugh. How can you use Egypt etc as a good use of the Internet. What has happened to these countries is the worst possible thing they will be fighting civil wars for years and end up being ruled by people far more radical than they had in the first place. They think they have freedom that is the last thing they have.
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my pleasure. :thumbsup:
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that ok tiz, they already know you havent got any brain cells.. :o ;) ;D
Well , according to Mensa my IQ is 167. and Gabi has a degree in Psychology , she is finding your paranoia quite fascinating .
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:roflanim: ah just love the needle :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
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You might be paranoid, but it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
can't remember where I first heard that
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thats the spirit!
my grandad who fought hitler to protect your right to blissful ignorance would be turning in his grave.
Grandad would also be turning in his grave knowing that police tactics now are to 'kettle' protestors. Making us less likely to protest, he'd die again knowing that after the fuel blockades some years ago laws were brought in to prevent that type of protest happening again. some freedom he won for us!!
Given a few days of fuel protests the media always follow the government line of 'ok that's enough, we don't want the fire brigade or ambulances having no fuel and innocent people being hurt'. So we stop protesting. Are we so stupid that we don't know the government have fuel stores for their own vehicles. I've been to one in Cheshire.
We're being had, left, right and centre.
Some years ago (about 28) Country File was on about the closure of village schools and how that effected village life. No school, no families. The conclusion was, government like us to move out of villages into cities because we're easier to control there.
Red tape, rules and regs. make it hard to be self employed. So you give up and go and get a job. Now as an employee you're much easier for the government to deal with, and you can't do any cash jobs.
Of course there's a bl@@dy conspiracy it's just a damn sight bigger than most of us realise.
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tiz, 140 is genius so you must be up there with the bobby fischers and stephen hawkins of this world, do you think you maybe missed your calling? tell gabi 'snap' from me, altho mine is in psych and eng lang, joint honours.
i think if anyones paranoid it must be our government, why else would they need to watch us like hawks?
tiz, do you think they maybe got the decimal point in the wrong place....? ;D
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''Grandad would also be turning in his grave knowing that police tactics now are to 'kettle' protestors.''
let alone their use of agent provocateurs. theres loads of video footage online.
try this, but please try to use an open mind.(and turn the rubbish music off)
#Nov9 Student Protest... Violent Undercover Agents Exposed!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=032gOhpyLXg#)
now whos paranoid??
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I know this stuff goes on and I expect it but petition signing isnt the way forward. If the govenment uses those tactics then how is a petition going to help?
My question is - If you were the government then wouldnt you do EXACTLY the same? I know I would.
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give me strength.....
no, i wouldnt use the same tactics, but then i wouldnt be in the mess this governments in.
i think ive made my point, that free speech is seriously under threat in the uk.
maybe signing a petition wont change anything, but AT LEAST IM TRYING.
the responsibility of each of us is to try.
thats me done now, it seems that the governments already broken some people on here, thats a shame.
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As I said before, there are people who say "something should be done about that..." and there are those who are willing to try and do something about 'that' - whatever 'that' is.
You are being proactive DITW, good on you. Nothing worse than "I wish I had...." :thumbsup:
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thats me done now, it seems that the governments already broken some people on here, thats a shame.
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im glad you find it so funny. since i first put up this petition yesterday the signees have gone from 45000 to 96000, and id like to hope some tasers have signed it too. in fact the detractors would seem to be in the minority.
job done. my little bit for democracy, laugh all you like.
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DITW
I just read back through my posts on this and I think i have said a few times that I broadly agree with you.
I havent signed the petition though and I have also explained why.
I didnt realise it was you who had started the petition and I CAN see this is very important to you and hence i dont take the comments like 'I can see the government has broken a few people' personally.
I dont begrudge anyone their own personal missions whether i agree with them or not.
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i always find it makes logical sense to read a thread from start to finish, just a thought....
remember this mr composto, 'evil thrives where the good do nothing'
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REVOLUTION the goverment are crapping it if it gets of the ground probably wont as we are a nation of sheep but not all :farmer:
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god you lot are scarey :eyelashes: i wouldn't be surprised if this thread has already been picked up by survellance what with some of the words we are using. CIA, etc, I am probably been watched as i write this. But no seriously, i think the british people are too pliable, we bow down to bloody europe, kiss their derriers, we have no backbone anymore, but that is just the good old british, but I am sure we weren't always like that. I think there ought to be a revolution to overthrow the bankers. And look at the cost of everything, how hard does hardship have to get before we actually turn around and do something really positive. Good on deep for trying, but i personally think a petition on the whole (not all the time) is a waste of time. We need radical action. There you go mr CIA if you are reading this put that in your pipe and smoke it. :wave:
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there every chance that this thread has been 'surveyed' and to be frank i care not a jot. i have been actively protesting injustice for 22yrs and i am already well known by tptb, it makes me laugh, i dont do anything illegal, but i can gaurantee if i move home i will get a visit just to check where i am living. i just smile sweetly and jibber quietly until they move on.
it went silly a few years back when we were in the caravan, pulled every few weeks on spurious nonsense.
however i have been lucky, one of my best friends was beaten up and strip searched by 5 male coppers and detained for 3 days on a public order charge (swearing in public). as a disabled 52 yr old female she was rather upset as you can imagine. however in their enthusiasm to cause her as much 'invisible' injury as possible they forgot the freedom of information act and she managed to get the dvd of the custody suite where it happened and is now pursuing it through a civil action in court.
the revolution will not be televised, it will be on the internet. are you aware of the protest in montreal yesterday, massive. the spanish mining village that was kept under siege by police for weeks? the protest in mexico?
the fight back has started, it is happening now, that is why they want this bill.
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Okay .... I get that we are manipulated by the powers that be and all that.
Strongly encourage my children to think for themselves and check the motives of others, government included. Debated this bill with them last night.
But ....... "revolution". ??? Against exactly what?
Sorry if I'm being a bit thick. Does take me a while to click on sometimes. ::)
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there is an article on bt yahoo news stating that no amount of petitions will sway the government on fuel tax which is diverted to the buses and railways and the vat goes to Europe the article is they deny there is a war against the car owner for far to long the pepole that run this country have been under the impression that the voting public will come to there rescue financially
if we overspend we have to do without but these forkers just think if they over spend tax the fools they wont know any different while lining there pockets at the same time just look at the f*** up that clown tony blag did licking Americas arse weapons of mass destruction they should have confiscated Tony's pen that would have saved several trillion dollars and countless lives :farmer:
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Weren't the montreal riots yesterday about students protesting about high tuition fees which seems to be a monthly thing at the minute.
Certainly not representative of the country as a whole and possibly not part of the start of the 'revolution'.
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It's all in the name : "Revolution" = going round in circles.
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yes they were protesting about tuition fees, as the spanish miners were protesting about their cuts too,
that is the essence of it, why should the people pay for the banking cabal?
i dont want a 'revolution' in the full sense of the word but i do want to a return to democracy run by the people for the people. as it is at the minute, it is run to make the wealthy richer and the poor poorer and a point has to be reached when that becomes intolerable an we are very near that point. as russ has been saying.
the revolution is, that people stop saying lalalala im not listening and start doing somethin to influence democracy again, like, for example petitions. a petition is a legal document and does influence policy as has been shown by the olympic tax climb down.
the revolution is in attitude, responsibility and care for the human race. i dont expect mass violence or rioting tho it is possible. i just want people to wake up and try to do something.
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It's all in the name : "Revolution" = going round in circles.
thats axial revolution
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolution (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolution)
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and that was from somebody with an IQ of 167 tizz must be like who want to be a millionare the questions are only difficult if you don't know the answers :farmer:
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oh and mr composto, i did see the cheap typo shot.....and i respect your choice in deleting it.
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Ahhh .... I think I get you now. It was your use of the word "revolution" that confused me. I suppose it depends on how you define a revolution - I was thinking that you were proposing something very radical.
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oh and mr composto, i did see the cheap typo shot.....and i respect your choice in deleting it.
Yes i did consider it cheap & unworthy of me - thought i had got away with it :innocent:
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I thought Mart was his younger brother. :roflanim:
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Come on BB remove that for the same reason as i removed mine - not getting petty & childish here
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Well DITW you seem to have quite a following on this thred and as far as freedom of speech goes if you'd have prattled on about revolution in other countries you and your caravan would have dissappeard by now.
The general public voted the goverment in to run the country as they feel fit.
I'm not over the moon about paying 20% vat on everything or the price of fuel or a 3 council tax bills on the properties we own, but thank god were living in Britain.
Have you noticed there are a hellova lot of immigrants trying to get to live here?
Why I wonder is that?
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Solution for both your problems : If you give DITW one of your properties, he won't have to live in a caravan , and you won't pay so much council tax, :innocent:
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castle farm the immigrants are government funded they have more rights than genuine British born people :farmer:
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:roflanim:
What even the illegal ones?
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the illegals pay to come here then are tied to virtually slave labour to pay there debts of :farmer:
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Even the illegal ones still live the life of O'Reilly
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Even the illegal ones still live the life of O'Reilly
Is that right? Compared with being beaten and starved where they've come from, or compared with the benefit drawing end of the British population, or compared with those of us that live here and have jobs?
Evidence? First hand?
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im so glad your starting to understand me, particularly you castle farm, you are right, what makes britain great is its acceptance of other cultures, freedom to debate issues, the chance to improve yourself. hence my issue with this bill. i am a true british patriot. i come from a long line of men in the british army, my g grandad was wheel horse in the royal horse artillery, i can trace my ancestry back to 1215ad. i want the best for my country. the civil liberty that has been defended and supported for so long is about to be lost. so if you too feel the same, go sign the petition.
jaykay, cor, didnt it go quiet....
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The general public voted the goverment in to run the country as they feel fit.
ummmm not quite, i seem to remember the conservative government got about 35% of the vote.
there was nothing in any party mandate stating they were to increase the state surveillance in fact it was the opposite. here is the link to the conservative partys site, stating precisely the opposite to what they are doing. so, how do we go forward from here??
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/09/Reversing_the_rise_of_the_surveillance_state.aspx (http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/09/Reversing_the_rise_of_the_surveillance_state.aspx)
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you know what, i have yet to have 1 convincing argument against my point, i have had ridicule, aspersions against my mental health, criticisms of my spilling ;) and waffle. if anybody would like to offer a convincing argument why this bill is such a GOOD thing, please step forward.
ding ding.
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castle some of us voted the mp in that is meant to represent the voting public,s wishes we did not vote them in to swindle the public purse either openly or discreetly and we certainly did not vote that mp Eric Joyce to get bladder-ed on cheap drink when they propose even more costly drink to the voting public and battling with other MIPS and an ex service man as well
deepinthewoods looks like we have something in common(my great grandfather used to call the outside toilet the house of commons maybe he was not that far of the mark) but you use punctuation :farmer:
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well mr waddle, ill raise a fine glass of single malt to that, one day we may well share one. :tree:
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I've signed the petition.
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:sunshine: :thumbsup: :bouquet: :thumbsup: :sunshine:
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Oh and I'm relatively normal and my IQ is 157 so I can think for myself.
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it's all gone political again :)
signed. I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I'm anti-BB.
Though I don't like registering on these websites - get enough spam as it is.
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Signed, and I too shy away from these because of spam
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just block them in your email settings if you need too, but i get maybe 1 a week, ive never had a survey linked 'products', nothing. i think they are aware of this as being a major issue.
i dont sign them all and just delete the ones i dont consider worthy. at the least its a choice to make.
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Is that right? Compared with being beaten and starved where they've come from, or compared with the benefit drawing end of the British population, or compared with those of us that live here and have jobs?
How do you get the above quote from jaykay highlighted ?????
Don't give me that jaykay, a very small percentage of immegrants have to fear for their lives. The majority come over here becuase they know about how easy it is to get benefits and housing. We are taking in too many I say, anyone else agree
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yep, i agree. fleeing political persecution or an application for political asylum is fine with me, but it isnt like that for lots of immigrants. however, economic migration is a different matter, and i find it worrying. mainly because it leads to a brain drain on the exited country and the massive housing crisis in this country.
just to clear up something, i do now live in a house not a caravan. but if a generous multiple home owner would like to give me one of their spares to relieve their council tax burden i would gratefully accept, and would pay for said house monthly, as i do the rent on this one. feel free to pm me :roflanim:
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The 2 days to save the next generation from big brother must be up by now so did you do it? :excited:
Was my vote needed?
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yes it was needed. :(
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Am I going mad, I could have sworn there was nine pages to this thread, have some been taken off or am I going mad
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Freedom of speach, people there is no such thing we only think we have it.
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Freedom to publish photos of a nude prance Harry ?
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Julian Assange is an asylum seeker, our government are having none of it though are they, yet when other questionable asylum seekers come here our government are only to happy to accommodate.
Presumably the difference is the the former is a threat to governments and the latter aren't.
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I don't know why people think we have freedom of speech. We don't, and never have. American citizens do, but we don't have a constitution like theirs.
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Thank Dog we don't ....... :innocent:
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Who want's to look at nude photos of Harry anyway? :huff: Those aren't the crown jewels :roflanim:
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i'll tell you who has freedom of speech, that one handed cleric and others like him who say what they like about us and get away with it.
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it is definetly worth reading the allegations against julian assange. he isnt actually accused of rape, hes accused of not wearing a condom during consentual sex with awoman with whom he was living as a couple albeit temporarily. the allegations wernt even made until he left her for her best mate.
a woman scorned and all that.
abu hanza. scum. id blow him up.
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aye but is julian wearing socks now with his new woman :roflanim: you used to hear of this with people that had aids :farmer:
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On the subject of harry, poor bloke, yes he should have known better, but he must have been in serious trouble when he got back from the queen and the British army poor bloke. ;D
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Linda have you led a sheltered life Jarvis cocker summed it all up with common people they are just like stallions well fed and nothing else to do with there time :farmer:
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the allegations here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden)
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that maybe ;D but I still feel sorry for him, what a whally though to do that when you are a prince. Did nobody check to see if those girls had mobiles on them. Nice bod though ;D ;D
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Here's one to get 3Deepio's blood boiling and feed his paranoia :innocent:
This is an urban spy drone funded by the US government , pretty ain't it. aerosols won't kill this one !
No. It's an insect spy drone for urban areas, already in production, funded by the US Government. It can be remotely controlled and is equipped with a camera and a microphone. It can land on you, and it may have the potential to take a DNA sample or leave RFID tracking nanotechnology on your skin. It can fly through an open window, or it can attach to your clothing until you take it in your home.
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now they really can be a fly on the wall :innocent:
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old hat tiz.
google geoengineering and chemtrails. that ought to do it.....
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a well placed skelp with an engineers hammer would sort it :roflanim:
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Didn't know that about Assange. That's a huge difference between the 'rape' that we've been led to believe happened. Some women give the majority of us a bad name with these exaggerated allegations >:(
Poor Harry, he's just a young man wanting to have fun. He can't help he was born royal and the nasty piece of work who sold the pictures is the real issue, honey trap or whatever they aren't a true friend and I feel sorry for him. He's a brilliant ambassador (is that the right word?) for the Royal family and shows genuine compassion and cares for the sick children etc he visits.
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I think freedom of speech is a concept which is conditioned into us from an early age.It is somrthing so simple as you are told 'not to speak until you are spoken to', in other words you dont have an opinion, and 'respecting your elders', which is fine, but a lot of elders speak crap and enforce their views like bullies. :rant:
The agenda for all governments is control of the masses - so they let you have a 'conditioned' belief of your freedoms,
it works in most cases - under scrutiny though it falls down, and down hard.
Unfortunatly social enviroments dictate freedom allowances.
It could get to the point of shut up - or be shot, a familiar occurance today
Like all wars - just keep fighting for what you believe are your rights.
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There are posts missing in the middle of this thread - what happened there? Note where Risp says so and quotes a post of mine which has vanished along with Deeps reply - those are just the ones I know about?
Yeh, Harry just a daft lad, some nasty pieces of work selling pics. But who cares really.
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Its dan I reckon, deleting posts to give us the impression the CIA are deleting them jaykay lol THEY'RE WATCHING US!!!!!!
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Good on you DITW, sorry I was offline when you put the link up as I would have signed in a heartbeat. But then I am mad and all that.... got leaflets and everything to prove it ;D
Stopped taking the crazy pills ages ago though.
Freedom of speech? HA!
How much do they get away with because people don't stop to think or ask questions?
I got sent a form to fill in by the local council. Just because of where/how I live. They wanted EVERYTHING, earnings, employers details, medical history AND wanted me to sign a 3rd party release so they could dig around without asking me >:( .
They weren't offering me anything and I wasn't asking for anything, yet they still felt they were ok to ask for all this shite??
I filled it in, the replies they got were not what they were after I'm sure but they can;t say I never filled it in ;D
Any of you out there who don't live 'differently' tell me do YOU have to divulge all of your personal and private information just to stay as you are? Hell no, they ask those whom THEY THINK MAY BE DIFFERENT!
I have lived here and worked and done all I should, never been in trouble, do charity work, volunteer etc etc and I am treated like scum by my local council. Members of said council I GREW UP WITH, WE PLAYED TOGHETHER AS CHILDREN yet now I am scum >:( >:(
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CW, that is completely unreasonable >:( Their problem is? (apart from the fact that they are closed-minded bigots, who let a tiny bit of power go completely to their heads ;))
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Unreasonable yes, but lawful now? Apparently so and I was under the impression that racism and harrasment were frowned upon in this country ??? ???
At the planning meeting the meeting was opened by the chairman with the words 'as for tonight's entertainment I only wish we could have sold tickets'.
That didn't get put in the minutes though, oddly enough >:(
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the issue is the housing shortage, i know soooo many people who live in sheds, chalets, caravans, horse boxes, all bringing up amazing children, and working hard.
when you think to get a rented house privately nowadays you need 2months rent up front, a months rent deposit, theres 2000, then you get credit checked for every member of the household at £50 each, non refunded if your not credit worthy. you can spend 1000 just looking for a house and getting nowhere. no wonder people live in the above types of accomodation, ive just had a rent review and now my rent will be handled by an agency im expecting a 50% hike. i really dont think i will be able to afford to stay here. so i looked at the housing register and applied, i got given band e, (despite having a disabled child with me) along with 4730 other people, of which approxiamtely 100 get rehomed avery 3 months (those are council figures) do the math, people are homeless for YEARS if your homeless you get put in b n b. at what cost to the council? BUILD MORE HOUSES, you bunch of ba.....ds.
there is a huge amount of discrimination towards these people, and i for one have had enough of it.
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i don't know where you are based DITW but you don't need 2 months here plus 1 months rent, 1 months deposit and one months rent that is all you need and £17.50 for a credit check, only on the person renting, not the rest of the family.
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cornwall. where a tiny 2 bed cottage with tiny garden gets £180+/week. ::)
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scotland - houses around here £420 a month for a five bed house with an acre of garden, or 2 bed cottage with a garden for £325.00 a month
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you are joking?
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I was going to say, when I heard your troubles, you could move north, it's a lot cheaper. But then you'd have to be able to deal with no sunshine whatsoever ::)
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i wish i could! im happiest cold on a mountain, dont do beaches, am rather ginger....!
but my daughters at school and i wouldnt drag her out, its a really good school who are able to cater for her quite specific needs.
i didnt realise the scale of the difference in prices tho. im gobsmacked.
my daughter knows that as soon as we're done college we're off, shes keen as mustard, same as me, she loves the mountains, thats why we're in wales as often as i can manage. like next week yay!!!
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Deeps and daughter, I can offer you an outstanding secondary state school with 150 kids in it - we are very good with individual needs, as we know each kid as a person. In the mountains, in the north ;)
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jaykay. i so would. she sees her mum most weekends. i couldnt take her from that. im stuck good and proper.
still gobsmacked about the difference in rents tho.
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Yes, that sort of thing does matter.
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Something to think about for the future. I'm with you about mountains. Anything else seems tame.
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yep. the big problem for me with cornwall is you just cant get lost!! everywheres 'designated', footpaths for tourists etc. theres nowhere to 'wild' camp legally in the whole county!! i love just paking a rucksack and tent and walking where i like.
im doing some serious thinking right now!! cor if i was tiz id have this sorted in seconds.... ;)
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Think places are about £300 - 450 a month round here too Dave ! I couldn't afford that a year mind lol .
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North Aberdeenshire prices are about the same £450/month. There are a lot of estates here which
make land available too - as for mountains not many - woodland, forests and walks, plenty. chances of meeting people on walks, - not a lot. an hour walk up here and you'll be lucky to pass 3.
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A friend of ours has a house on the large estate where he works, his neighbour doesn't work for the estate and pays £1600 a month rent! Now it's a nice house , 4 bedroom maybe 5' with no land what so ever, but I can't believe how much they pay :o
Forgot to say were in the Midlans, Staffordshire/Shropshire border.
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Yeah, about 450 a month round here (Cumbria) too.
How does someone pay £1600 pcm rent :o
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They are a banker :innocent: :innocent:
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Can't remember what the fella does :thinking: defo wasn't farming related though! :innocent: It is a very nice private estate...but still, way too much in my thinking