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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: plumseverywhere on August 17, 2012, 08:22:39 am
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9481586/Moors-murderer-Ian-Brady-finally-reveals-where-Keith-Bennett-is-buried.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9481586/Moors-murderer-Ian-Brady-finally-reveals-where-Keith-Bennett-is-buried.html)
I, for one, so hope that this is genuine and that Keith Bennetts terminally ill mum finally gets the funeral for her son that he/she so deserve. :bouquet:
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Hear hear Plums, well said!
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They should have beaten that information out of him and Hindley years ago ! :rant:
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What did he benefit from not telling before now?
He must be evil through and through
Sally
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He's an evil man and its all about power and fame. he knows he's still one of the most talked about murderers in history and he enjoys the limelight and every now and then he leaks a little titbit raising false hope, those moors have been scoured for the body of that child and after all these years i think its unlikely he can actually know where the body is, its just his way of being in the news again and the media giving him his fame again, personally i think the evil bar steward should have hanged years ago along with Hindley. The media should stop their circus around him.
I hope for Keith Bennetts mum's sake this isn't a wild goose chase as has been before and that she does get closure.
mandy :pig:
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I was reading it on BBC news at 3am (insomnia again) so it didn't sink in 100% but my understanding was that a woman has been arrested for preventing burial of a body. So he's 'admitted' where Keith is buried to one of these prison visitors and she's not told the authorities but has now been rumbled. Slightly more hopeful than his usual games as he has done similar before, fingers crossed.
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There are some truly wicked people in the world, you wonder what has made them like that. I have just been reading an shocking article in the Mail about the amount of people who practise witchcraft and voodoo in the country. So many children are beaten and murdered to realease the evil spirits inside them and it is going on in this country.
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"So many children are beaten and murdered to realease the evil spirits inside them and it is going on in this country."
.......Especially when bed wetting is considered eto be evidence of possession by evil spirits in some cultures.
Let us not forget Victoria Climbie and all before and since
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I hope Winnie gets to have a funeral for her son. She needs it.
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What an utterly despicable individual. I honestly thought he didn't know.
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I reckon he knows. They took photos of themselves posing on the graves. I know the moors are a vast place but I reckon he remembers each and every place. Nasty, evil individuals.
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Its only conjecture as the letter was given back to Brady by his mental health nurse..... :rant:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/17/ian-brady-letter-moors-murder-keith-bennett-killer-winnie-johnson-jackie-powell_n_1797483.html?utm_hp_ref=uk (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/17/ian-brady-letter-moors-murder-keith-bennett-killer-winnie-johnson-jackie-powell_n_1797483.html?utm_hp_ref=uk)
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Why are the UK keeping scum like him alive?
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Why are the UK keeping scum like him alive?
Its more fun that way. He is in pain,so the longer the better. :stir:
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He's an evil man and its all about power and fame. he knows he's still one of the most talked about murderers in history and he enjoys the limelight and every now and then he leaks a little titbit raising false hope, those moors have been scoured for the body of that child and after all these years i think its unlikely he can actually know where the body is, its just his way of being in the news again and the media giving him his fame again, personally i think the evil bar steward should have hanged years ago along with Hindley. The media should stop their circus around him.
I hope for Keith Bennetts mum's sake this isn't a wild goose chase as has been before and that she does get closure.
mandy :pig:
My thoughts exactly. :knit: (gallows humour)Vive la France!
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With the proof they can get nowadays I think they should bring back the death penalty, put them to sleep and be done . It would have to be beyond doubt and have the full agreement of the family that has suffered , they should have the say as the murderer/s had theirs when they commited their 'execution'.
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With the proof they can get nowadays I think they should bring back the death penalty, put them to sleep and be done . It would have to be beyond doubt and have the full agreement of the family that has suffered , they should have the say as the murderer/s had theirs when they commited their 'execution'.
I agree too, make em swing !!!!!!!!
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There was a news interview with the producer of the documentary thats coming out soon, the interviewer asked him if it was a publicity stunt .......it was fascinating to watch his blink rate double when he replied...... I think I won't be watching this program why support these evil bastards. :rant:
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I agree with Mandy too. He and Hindley were truly evil, had something that makes a human human missing from them.
"So many children are beaten and murdered to realease the evil spirits inside them and it is going on in this country."
.......Especially when bed wetting is considered eto be evidence of possession by evil spirits in some cultures.
The results are evil, but sadly the beliefs are real. I don't know what you do about such misguided belief systems. And there are plenty in the western world too :P
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You need a deterant to make people think that the result of an action taken by them will end in something everybody understands and thats pain.
Bring back hanging if in no doubt of guilt.
Bring back the birch and our prisons would be almost empty.
And we as taxpayers wouldn't be shelling out every week for thier keep in prison. :rant:
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But they have "RIGHTS" . I wish someone would tell me what mine are.... :thinking:
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Well the evil scumbag has just contributed to the miserable death of yet another victim. Keith Bennetts Mum died earlier not being able to give her son the funeral she so wanted to :'(
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The prisons are full of druggies and people who haven't paid fines !
Birch people with an addiction ? For not paying their tv licence ?
Hang those who murder ,but only those without doubt ? Timothy Evens ?
Thing is , the birch was never a deterant when it was used neither was hanging , if they were they would never have been used , but they were , so they don't work . The cane never worked at school either . I know !
But tell me how does beating the crap out of a pensioner for non payment of a tv licence fine make the those that carry out the 'punishment' any better than a druggie mugging the same pensioner for their tv licence money ? (some pensioners are really unlucky !)
You want empty prisons , stop fining people when they can't pay . The courts are a money making scam and little more .
Stop the drug trade = half the people wouldn't end up in nick . However , the drug trade makes makes more money for the world economy than food . So that will never happen .
The system is corrupt . The people who run it should be the ones in nick ! Hang a few of those bastards and we may get somewhere .
But , beat the crap out of people , hang the buggers to save on taxes ? Jesus Christ ! Arbeit Macht Frei !
Lets get the ovens ready !
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Sadly,Winnie died last night >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19305055 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19305055)
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The prisons are full of druggies and people who haven't paid fines !
Birch people with an addiction ? For not paying their tv licence ?
Hang those who murder ,but only those without doubt ? Timothy Evens ?
Thing is , the birch was never a deterant when it was used neither was hanging , if they were they would never have been used , but they were , so they don't work . The cane never worked at school either . I know !
But tell me how does beating the crap out of a pensioner for non payment of a tv licence fine make the those that carry out the 'punishment' any better than a druggie mugging the same pensioner for their tv licence money ?
Well said Rusty :thumbsup:
Quite apart from the issue that we are not infallible and can get convictions wrong, administering beatings as punishment brutalises the people who do the administering too - so damaging two. As Rusty says, if these and other uncivilised violences used elsewhere in the world, worked as deterrents they wouldn't have to be used - and that's not the case.
What Brady did was inhuman, we don't have to become the same in dealing with the likes of him.
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So your not against hanging Rusty?
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Oh Plums ..... that is so sad ......I feel really tearful :'(
I hoped for both their sakes that he was going to be found :'( .... and in time for her to be there to see him put to rest. :bouquet: :bouquet: :bouquet:
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RIP Winnie - reunited with Keith at last if only in spirit. :bouquet: :bouquet: :bouquet:
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Although , cf , i say i would hang a banker etc , in reallity i wouldn't .
I hate , detest and abhor that bastard Tony Blair , who has far more blood on his hands than all the murderers in prison , I don't think i could justify hanging him . Lock him up forever yes , but if i were to hang him , i would be the same as him , a piece of crap who should rot in hell .
I may well be a piece of crap , but i have never killed anyone , or harmed innocent women or children in any way let alone for personal gain .
The thing with mp's saying "we are wearing the white hats , so we can legally kill anyone we choose " , be it for oil , minerals or whatever , what message does that send to those who value life cheap anyway ?
I know there is the question " what if someone killed a family member" , i find that almost impossible to answer .
In a case like that my first response would be , they would never get to trial as i would kill them , but what if i got it wrong ?
No , i have to say i am against hanging .
I am not god or any other deity , who can decide upon life or death , but i like to think i am a better human being and value life , others as well as my own , more than i do vengeance .
The grumpy old man bit , who has far to much to say , i just live with , lol .
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I'm with you there Russ.
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So your not against hanging Rusty?
Shall we take a vote on hanging Rusty, ? he's not too bad a fellow.
BUT Brady ........well If he's being tube fed ...a squirt of caustic soda and chlorine should give him a reminder of what he deserves.....
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So your not against hanging Rusty?
Shall we take a vote on hanging Rusty, ? he's not too bad a fellow.
:D ;)
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The likes of Brady, Hindley, Shipman and a few others that were without any shadow of doubt were guiltry of the murders they committed should have been hanged or killed by injection.
The people they murdered and in some cases mutilated had family and close friends that carried the pain of what was done with them forever, such as Winnie.
Drunk/drugged drivers who kill people should get life in prison. Again they had a choice drive or not.
It's so easy to think it will never happen to you or your family, but thats what all the people who are suffering at the hands of these murderers.
Crime seems to pay very well nowadays.
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Devils Advocate -
Did the likes of Allett, shipman, Brady, Huntley etc all murder because of mental illness? If so who are we to condemn those sufferers of an unseen illness to death when we are apparently of right mind?
^^ Not neccessarily my own views you understand.
My dad went to school with a lad who was hanged and then later a pardon was granted ( I believe - I need to see if thats the case) Christopher Craig? friends with Derek Bentley. He had what would now be considered learning difficulties I understand.
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I do believe in the death penalty.
Look at Brady as a human fox that goes around taking your baby chooks for fun , what would you do to the fox? Then put the same ideas to a grown man that should know better and that goes around abducting children and taping them being tortured and crying for their mum then murdered and buried on a moor. I would pull the switch . All murders are different you cannot compare them to each other, some are for money some are for passion and some are for the pleasure of it. All should be taken into account and then the punishment decided, death to those that deserve it. I would also bring back hard labour as a boring, menial , no outcome operation as it was originally. Perhaps seperate Debtors prisons may stop people borrowing too much and getting into crime that way but suggesting the birching of people genuinely in a mess such as pensioners and tv fines is going too far.
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Perhaps seperate Debtors prisons may stop people borrowing too much.
Were going to need some more prisons then.
Every goverment in Europe would be banged up :D
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To kill another person would take us down to the level of the killer and they get a release which is far more than any victims family. Taking away a persons freedom and meaning life is life must be almost a living death in my opion. All rights should go the day they are found guilty. The law in this country means they get better looked after than most working people who pay their taxes, that's far from right.If a person has evil in them nothing will change that no matter what the good doers think, most people who offend against children do so time and time again so why are they ever set free. Why let people into the country who are going to rape and kill, kick them out they have no rights to stay full stop.Prison should be so hard that a person would never want to go back.
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Tiz , for gods sake , do not do the vote ! I'll be swinging before the day is out .
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You're safe enough Rusty, the've all you you pegged as " not in a fit state to plead " :innocent:
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People in prison may have TVs in their cells (if their families pay for them), free board and lodging, etc but the sound of those keys in the locks makes you shudder when you are staff. What must it be like if you know you will not be going home at the end of the day?
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My brother could answer that Lesley , he has just finished a life sentance , 21 years in total , cat A .
Another one did 8 years and the youngest did 2 .
Nick is not a holiday camp , nor any kind of easy option .
I know from what my brothers have said , i couldn't take it . No worries there though , i am the good one ! Ha ha ha haaaa lmfao .
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My friends' brother in law served time in a Cat A prison, all charges were dropped but it was 'attempted murder' he was in for :-\ He is still totally traumatised. I spoke to him not long after he was let out and he told me some of the things he witnessed inside and how he'd felt. I was surprised that he was allowed weekly visits from his family, I hadn't expected it to be that often but his experience has broken down any bravado he had before he went in, he's quite meek now and adamant not to be in the wrong place, wrong time again!
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. I believe that in many cases hanging is the easy way out for people who don't want to live their lives out in prison, look at shipman etc who took his own life because it was the easy way out for him. I truly don't think they should be hung, no matter what they have done, however they should be forced to live one truly awful life for the rest of their lives, send them to a siberian labour camp for example. Take away all their rights in prison, sod the tv, games and cushy number called a cell, make it hell on earth for them that they are living a living hell and make them suffer every single day they are alive. Much better than hanging them, they have a fear for a few moments then peace.
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. I believe that in many cases hanging is the easy way out for people who don't want to live their lives out in prison, look at shipman etc who took his own life because it was the easy way out for him. I truly don't think they should be hung, no matter what they have done, however they should be forced to live one truly awful life for the rest of their lives, send them to a siberian labour camp for example. Take away all their rights in prison, sod the tv, games and cushy number called a cell, make it hell on earth for them that they are living a living hell and make them suffer every single day they are alive. Much better than hanging them, they have a fear for a few moments then peace.
Ian Huntley is on antidepressants to help him cope with what he did...maybe they should be withdrawn so he can suffer as the parents of his victims continue to? and I agree with your point about hanging being the chosen, easy option for people like Shipman and didn't Fred West take the same way out?
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Yes plums he did, and what a good idea to take away his anti depressants. Why the hell should he be on them, and why should it be at the tax payers expense. This country is way way too soft
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On a slight tangent (not specifically about Brady) I have worked in a high security hospital and yes the offenders I worked with had done terrible things and the vast majority had also suffered horrific abuse as children. That doesn't excuse their crimes and yes there are people who have suffered such abuse who don't offend but it did make me think about how society might try and adopt a preventative approach.
When it comes down refusing treatment for offenders; the punishment for crime is loss of freedom, which is no small thing, not removal of healthcare. Linked to this is the protection of the human rights of offenders. We all have rights and they are protected in law by the human rights act developed from the european convention on human rights. Why do we have such protection? because after the events of world war 2 the need to enshrine such rights in law was recognised with a hope that this would prevent such atrocities happening again in Europe.
Yes people try and abuse the intent of the law but I would far rather live in a country that protected the rights of all than a country that chooses not to protect anyone or to pick and choose who has rights. It may seem a simple thing to decide that offenders should not have rights but that is a slippery slope and whose to say whether future governments might decide other people don't deserve rights? For a chilling demonstration of how a legal framework can be manipulated watch the film Conspiracy (starring Kenneth Branagh) and think about how the events pictured may have been different if the european court and convention of human rights had been in place.
Finally when it comes to psychopaths the rules that you and I use to live our lives and govern our behaviour go out of the window. It is a complex disorder the reality of which is often far removed from that described in film and literature. You can't understand why because it is so far removed from everyday understanding / experience.
I appreciate many people will not hold the same opinion as me and many will not have had the experiences that I have had due to my profession but I've yet to meet anyone who would rather be in prison than free or anyone who would rather be in a secure hospital than in prison.
I'll just go back to reading my guardian now ;D
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Some of the comments show how near we are to the days of the witch hunts .
Humanitarian society ? My arse !
It is stated that upto 2 thirds of people driving on the road at any one time , are over the drink limit or out of their head on drugs , prescription ones account for about half . How many millions would that be in nick ? Doing their living hell ? How many on here drive a vehicle within 48 hours of drinking ? Quite a few , if not most ?
You just haven't been caught , you are lucky , so are the people that were anywhere near you , or in your car !
Remenber that pensioner , forgot to pay their tv licence ? 3 months of living hell eh ? , or 100 lashes of the birch ?
No prescription drugs for prisoners ? What about someone with heart problems or diabetes , oh just let them die ! Why should tax payers pay for their drugs ? Yet again , money !
Some poor sod doing 6 months for not paying parking fines , who has a heart problem , is condemned to death ?
And there was me thinking the arseholes running this country were the bastards !
Workers to the left , the rest to the showers !
It would seem we are no better than the Nazis , have we not learned anything ? Vengeance rules , death to all offenders ! And people wonder why i want no part of this insane , corrupt society . Society ? Now there is a fecking joke !
Let he without sin , cast the first stone !
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Some of the comments show how near we are to the days of the witch hunts .
Humanitarian society ? My arse !
It is stated that upto 2 thirds of people driving on the road at any one time , are over the drink limit or out of their head on drugs , prescription ones account for about half . How many millions would that be in nick ? Doing their living hell ? How many on here drive a vehicle within 48 hours of drinking ? Quite a few , if not most ?
You just haven't been caught , you are lucky , so are the people that were anywhere near you , or in your car !
Remenber that pensioner , forgot to pay their tv licence ? 3 months of living hell eh ? , or 100 lashes of the birch ?
No prescription drugs for prisoners ? What about someone with heart problems or diabetes , oh just let them die ! Why should tax payers pay for their drugs ? Yet again , money !
Some poor sod doing 6 months for not paying parking fines , who has a heart problem , is condemned to death ?
And there was me thinking the arseholes running this country were the bastards !
Workers to the left , the rest to the showers !
It would seem we are no better than the Nazis , have we not learned anything ? Vengeance rules , death to all offenders ! And people wonder why i want no part of this insane , corrupt society . Society ? Now there is a fecking joke !
Let he without sin , cast the first stone !
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I worked in a Cat A prison. It is the loss of freedom that is the punishment. The cells are tiny and often overcrowded. Lots of prisoners lose their families as well (not that I blame wives who can't take it). Visiting may be every week but if your family live the other side of the country on benefits, they often can't afford to visit very often. Believe me, I was always very glad to get out at the end of the day and, if I needed a deterant to avoid a life of crime, that would be it.
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The reason that they are in prison is they broke the laws that are suppose to protect the people that don't break them.
I feel no sympathy whatsoever for prisoners,you do the crime and do the time, thats if they are caught.
I'm not talking parking fines and non payment of TV fees I'm talking theft, bodily harm and the like.
Last year my mother in law who is 87 was robbed while she slept. The noise of these scumbags woke her up, but she was to scared to go down stairs. They stole her TV, some orniments and £400 she had saved towards her electric bill.
She was in such as state we had to move her into another property, as she was to scared to go to bed.
If I'd have caught the bastards I'd have beaten the living s**t out of them.
Perhaps they were poor and on benifit or needed to money to fund thier drug habit.
Please don't talk to me about going easy of people like these. I'd birch the skin off the lot of them.
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There you go cf , you make my point .
You say you are not talking parking fines or non payment of tv licence etc . You are talking about theft , bodily harm etc . And then you say you would beat the living s**t out of the ones who stole from your mil .
Is beating the living s**t out of someone not classed as bodily harm ?
Would you not therefore be just as bad as the scumbags you would birch the skins off ?
Fact is , yot would be worse than them , because you would have put yourself above the law , judge , jury and executioner . You are above the law ? You are better than the law ?
Wrong wrong wrong !
That is exctly the reason we have laws . To stop vigilanties handing out their own form of punishment , ie beating the living s**t out of some scumbag , is it not ?
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Problem is Rustyme you or I are deterred from killing the OH (even though they sometimes deserve it :-J ) because we don't fancy the idea of prison. These people who beat up pensioners for their drug money aren't afraid of prison, so you have to come up with something they are afraid of. What would you suggest?
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this is a good going spat this one i am with rusty and against CF one thing catching them red handed and giving out justice look at singe ma jeep that tried to bomb Glasgow airport the ones that tackled him were hailed as hero's they were not done for beating him up
it is the human rights charter that you have to look at and thank for the rights of prisoners any medical problem they have to see a doctor or dentist within 24 hours or the prisons are in breach same with there TV or i pods :farmer:
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Perhapse the pensioners should hide their drug money a bit better then moley ? lol .
This is what we have an elected parliament for , is it not ?
They make the laws the police catch the law breakers and the judiciary impose the prescribed law and punishment .
If you want laws changed or new ones made , vote accordingly , or lobby your mp ! That is the system , right or wrong ?
Should we be ruled by fear instead ? Fear of pain or injury ?
Should we kill people who are mentally insane because they commit a crime ?
To protect your property or your life or limb . using 'reasonable force' is one thing , and lawful at that .
To seek out a person after the act and to inflict what you decide a suitable punishment , is a completely different kettle of fish altogether .
Why am i standing up for a system i detest ? One thing i have to admit is , it is better than the kkk handing out their judgements , or some random nutter deciding he knows better than the law of the land , and beats the living s**t out of someone after the event .
Again i say , humanitarian
society ? my arse !
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No point argueing about this,I have my views and you have yours. Avoiding a problem never solved the problem.
The police didn't catch the burglers who did MIL and 4 other houses that night, but she did get an incident number.
It took her about 6 months to get over that night and for weeks she had the shakes.
''Perhapse the pensioners should hide their drug money a bit better then moley ? lol . ''
Your attitude sucks Rusty.
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Problem is Rustyme you or I are deterred from killing the OH (even though they sometimes deserve it :-J ) because we don't fancy the idea of prison ...
That is NOT in the slightest bit funny ::)
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I'm not saying that people who break the law shouldn't be punished but prison IS a punishment. I think people who steal to feed drug habits aren't so much not afraid of prison as desperate for their next fix. This does not mean I am saying they should be treated leniently. Theft is theft and, when it scares people like CF's MIL, it is worse. I have had my house broken into and I was terrified for ages afterwards. And I was only about 21 at the time. For elderly, vulnerable people it must be far worse. This should be taken into consideration when they are sentenced.
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My comment was not in anyway directed at your mil cf or at any pensioner . It was merely having a laugh at the way the sentence read , not at the actual meaning of the sentence .
As for atitude , the feeling is mutual , but like you i shan't be losing any sleep over it !
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this is a good going spat this one
Certainly is. I've not been following it but looked in tonight.
If anyone hurt my family, I would wish all the torture of Hell on them - but that's vengeance. When I read about the horrible things folk do to others, I think "bring back hanging / birching" etc but in the cold light of day, I don't think it's right. It would make society as bad as the perpetrators of crime.
And on prisoners rights, they are still human beings. Some repent and change. And the earlier point by smallholderinthecity about taking away the rights of one group may be a slippery slope - offenders today. Who tomorrow? the disabled, Jews, homosexuals?
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Bugger , that is exactly what i think Rosemary , why couldn't i have said that ? lol .
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Problem is Rustyme you or I are deterred from killing the OH (even though they sometimes deserve it :-J ) because we don't fancy the idea of prison ...
That is NOT in the slightest bit funny ::)
Sorry 'bout that, if you've seen my other posts it's down to accounting syndrome. :D
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If anyone hurt my family, I would wish all the torture of Hell on them - but that's vengeance. When I read about the horrible things folk do to others, I think "bring back hanging / birching" etc but in the cold light of day, I don't think it's right. It would make society as bad as the perpetrators of crime.
And on prisoners rights, they are still human beings. Some repent and change. And the earlier point by smallholderinthecity about taking away the rights of one group may be a slippery slope - offenders today. Who tomorrow? the disabled, Jews, homosexuals?
Exactly this :thumbsup:
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And the step grandad of Tia Sharpe (yet to be convicted) When I read a little of his story I actually said to hubby that I felt sorry for his childhood. I think what Smallholder in the City is saying, and from his experience, those who go onto commit crimes of this magnitude must have been through some awful experiences in their formative years - either that or be born with an awful illness that we can never understand or see.
My only experience in Cat A prisons is from speaking to my friends BIL and he really is a shadow of his former self now. He said he laid in bed terrified at night and saw men beaten, one slit his own throat and you had to watch your back 24/7 - that's not cushy! but that's Cat A, don't know what other prisons are like.
We would be stepping back in time to reintroduce hanging, as Rosemary says it would be reminiscent of Hitlers ethnic cleansing again and we have moved on too far.
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Ethnic cleansing is going on everyday in other countries, so the leaders or the people that are raping and killing and cutting the hands off kids have had a bad childhood and need to take it out on someone.
If sending people to prison doesn't work, as re offend figures prove it doesn't why are we wasting money on it.
As for druggies. You lock them in a cell and let them cold turkey it out of thier system.
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There's been a few comments about people having bad childhood experiences, this then leads them to be abusive adults.
I know two people who were abused as children, both of them are well adjusted adults. The man who was sexually abused as a child is one of the few people I've counted as a true friend, rather than an acquaintance.
The other, a woman now, was beaten as a child.
Lets not be too soft on those who go on to repeat what was done to them.
Childhood experiences can and do leave scars but those who've been abused have a choice about what they do in later life.
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This is what I cant understand , why do arguments involving the death penalty get brought down to Hitler , Jews and the disabled etc . I like to think I can tell the difference between a child torturer and a religion. this happens on the other forums I look at. The death penalty for murder has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing or people in wheelchairs . This is one of those arguments that can go on forever until the time comes when it is actually voted on and then we can all have our own opinion and say.
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This is what I cant understand , why do arguments involving the death penalty get brought down to Hitler , Jews and the disabled etc . I like to think I can tell the difference between a child torturer and a religion. this happens on the other forums I look at. The death penalty for murder has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing or people in wheelchairs . This is one of those arguments that can go on forever until the time comes when it is actually voted on and then we can all have our own opinion and say.
My comment on this thread (I think that's what you are referring to) wasn't about the death penalty per se- it was about human rights of offenders and how if you take them away, who's next. I'm well aware that there's a difference between a child torturer and a religious belief.
I still wouldn't support the death penalty though.
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I agree with jaykay, the people who do this as in tia sharpe etc are not wired up right. This could mean that mental problems they may have had when they were a child were compouded by type of childhood they had, ie abusive. No child is born bad, but I do believe behaviour patterns to a certain extent can be genetic in fact it has been proved. If a child is not right in the first place and borders on having mental health issues, incorrect parenting and/or a terrible childhood make the original problem ten times worse to such an extent it manifests itself into something quite dangerous.
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well let us forget momentarily about the bones of this thread not very many pepole will listen to a child and children can be the worst murdering bastards that existed children are bullied on a daily basis either through colour learing disability parents or not there social scale or there home location just who does that child turn to if the parents are observant they will see a change in there child the teachers don't care they are counting the days down to there retirement and if the child retaliates they are the problem little wonder that child goes on to be a major problem in latter life and the finger always points to the bullied child it is there fault plain and simple not the children that made there life hell not the teacher that was more interested clock watching and maybe the parent or parents for having the audacity to breed in the first place what i have found is the teachers that implement there anti bulling policy have no experience of being bullied eh how can they understand what is going through that child's mind which in turn manifests itself into what rosemary describes as wanting to get even
education education education well that involves teachers of a better calibre than are at present sitting in the classroom whittling there stick till they retire and what about the people that have lost fortunes homes businesses and everything else because these greedy bankers were shagging there customers and other banks so that they could have a luxurious lifestyle just because they have been raped by the system should they be locked away for trying to exist :rant:
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You sound as if you have had experience of bullying robert
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Robert, your post has brought tears to my eyes, it rings so true for a little lad I know. Bullied because of his background. Kids can be so cruel - they hear it from their parents to start with though and all this hatred and prejudice comes through generation after generation.
When the bullying is not dealt with efficiently by the school and when the parents of the bullies are not in tune with whats going on to deal with it the pain the bullied child goes through must build exactly as you say, into something more.
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two of my sons have the eldest was bullied by a little girl at primary when he eventually told us we told him leather the shite out her he did and we got a phonecall your son is a disruptive element but fair does the head teacher sorted it out the same happened at secondary school the same secondary school as my next son went to (incidentally the second son was very happy at primary and looking forward to secondary school) his excitement was short lived the teachers hated him and us just where they get these idiots from that are entrusted with the education of our children is beyond me and they were told this as well and the amount of former pupils that say this school failed them is unbelievable anyway john has an apprenticeship with a prestigious world wide manufacturer no thanks to this school that should have been left demolished with the teachers made to pull it apart brick by brick with no tools :rant:
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My niece was bullied at school and the school dealt with it very nicely. They knew who the bully was but rather than pull her up on it directly, possibly making the situation worse for my niece, they head spoke to the whole class saying there was some bullying and could they all look out for each other.
The bully recognised their time was up and my niece wasn't bullied again. :thumbsup:
Sally
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Bionic .... I'm glad your nieces problems were dealt with effectively.
Robert .... sad to hear of your experiences. Of course there are good and bad teachers and all the shades in between, just as in any profession, but as an ex primary teacher, I can honestly say that I always did my utmost to spot and deal with any problems in the classroom. I believe this was true of all my colleagues too. Perhaps I was lucky to work in a very supportive, caring school. I don't think that most teachers spend their time clock watching or waiting to retire!
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one of my aunties was a primary school teacher then she applied for and got a headmistress post at holytown primary school when she took over the school was the bottom performer in the area with no interest from the parents she turned that school around all the children were happy and the parents supported the school and there children's activities and it was a pleasure to meet pupils that passed through her time as headie (she had given them inspiration ) i did meet two them in the construction industry and they thought the world of her
in the hills no they don't all wait for retirement some cant wait to get to the break to get a swig on there half bottle
anyway i am not excusing all the badness just saying that there could be underlying reasons and not all are exposed when the s**t hits the fan and they retaliate :farmer:
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Robert did I understand you right, you encouraged your son to leather the shite out of her, which I presume give her a belting.... or am I totally barking up the wrong tree
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yep you got it right bullies are just big dogs good at giving but not at taking :farmer:
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Robert, I told my grandson when he went to Secondary school, Never let yourself be bullied. If you are, don't hesitate, one short ,sharp bang on the nose, don't mess about. He went one further and when a smaller child was being bullied on the school bus he asked the boy involved to stop. What are you going to do about it, asked the other boy, aged 14. This, said James and punched him hard on the nose. Said boy then went crying to school and James was labelled a bully despite telling the headmaster he was only standing up to a bully. He was excluded from school, easier, I dare say than sorting out the real problem which was swept under the carpet.
I remember "sorting out" a boy who was bullying my twin brother (he is two hours younger than me and we were 11!!) and can remember the great satisfaction I felt, grinding that boy's face in the mud.
Would I do the same if my brother were being bullied???? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ Probably ;)
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I wept when I read that this lady died without ever knowing where her son was buried. What a heavy weight to wear on your heart all your life. I hope she rests in peace now.
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No council tax to pay,no rent, no mortgate, no electrc bills, no food bills, no phone bills, get plenty pocket money, get seen immediately with tooth ache, see doctor, get taken quicker in A&E, where IN PRISON we keep these bastards and they think we own them, they complaine if there is no tv, no gym equipment,, they got the life of riley oh and they complain cause there have no privasy to do a dump. If there is no doubt that they are convicted of a vicious crime take them on a boat to the middle of the sea and fling them over the boat and let the sea like enjoy them. :rant:
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Brady & Hindley should have swung... end of.
There is a big difference between ethnic cleansing/torture and summery justice. If they were taken out in the 60's and hung like they should have been then society could have moved on, now we still talk about them and they seem to have everyones attention and cost the taxpayers millions.
While Northern Ireland has had its terrible problems, and there is no getting away from that, it still is one of the safest places to live in anywhere... why?... because 'summery justice' is still a fact of life... step out of the ordinary and you will suffer. Pedophiles,drug dealers and all sorts of scum are generally sorted out, usually with a swift 9mm to the back of the head or get out of the country and never come come back sort of visit in the middle of the night. It's 'rough justice' that isn't acceptable in a normal society, but I'm increasingly finding myself thinking it is definitely the way to sort out those bastards that are making life unbearable for the masses that comply with getting on with life. But where is the line between justice and society breakdown?... difficult one.
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I believe Brady has been on refusing to eat for many years probably in an attempt to end his life.
But the our prisons system keeps him alive by feeding him by tube.
Is this not a great punishment?
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I believe Brady has been on refusing to eat for many years probably in an attempt to end his life.
But the our prisons system keeps him alive by feeding him by tube.
Is this not a great punishment?
It certainly keeps the essence of 'control' in the hands of the system and not Brady's. Something which I would imagine tortures him greatly! Not sure where I stand on it ethically but letting him starve could be seen as assisted suicide based on him being deemed mentally unstable - so is it a legal thing to cover the hospital's side?