The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Poultry & Waterfowl => Topic started by: sabrina on August 10, 2012, 02:18:31 pm
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I have bought layers pellets with the added wormer. I have 8wk old chicks that free range with their mum. will I have to shut them away from the feed or is it ok if they do happen to eat some.
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I don't know for definite but we have just had a similar thing. Wormed the older hens ... who free range. The chicks and their mum also free range and so had access to the medicated pellets. No obvious problems ... assuming its okay ??? . Do know a couple of people who have wormed very young chicks with Flubenvet and again no problems.
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get sheep wormer and give them 1 mil lot more afective.
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get sheep wormer and give them 1 mil lot more afective.
Withdrawal period?
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Which Brand VF ?
thanks BL
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get sheep wormer and give them 1 mil lot more afective.
Withdrawal period?
Good point Rosemary, however it won't be the same in a different species therefore even what is written in the leaflet for sheep won't count for chickens.
In fact, I wouldn't give anything to the chickens that is supposed to be administered to another species. And only if it was an emergency, I'd try my best to work out the correct dose, not just a random "1ml of something". The administration route can also vary the effect. Something that is supposed to be taken orally by a sheep, which is a ruminant, will not have the same effect on monogastric like hens. Sheep/cattle strength medicines can harm smaller animals and birds have a much faster and somewhat different metabolism from mammals.
Veterinary drugs destined to a specific species have been studied and tested, the differences are there for their benefit, and not because somebody thought fun to make many types.
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Think you would need to be careful, especially if you eat their eggs. And if you sell them ...... :o ???
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i tried to buy that wormer/pellets but was asked by harbros for a presription from the vet, so never bothered. £25 for a pot of worm powder instead...panacur wud be cheaper.
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we use Marriages premix (SPC mail order) and it saves a lot of hassle Sabrina and actually costs less than mixing it yourself. Keep the chicks well away from it. Too early to worm them and far too early for the levels of Calcium in the layers.
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Chris - Sorry whats SPC mail order ?
thanks
BL
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It's the SPC Poultry Centre which sells Marriages pellets with added Flubenvet, at a good price. We are about to order it for the first time.
I agree totally with welshcob that products designed for sheep should not be used for poultry - unless your vet says yes. My bad neighbour killed his dog that way - gave it Panacur along with the flock, forgetting he had included a flukicide, which turned out to be also a canicide >:( One dead dog :furious:
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agreed-don't use medications used in other species, at worst they might kill and at best they just won't have any effect on the worms that live in the species you are trying to treat-either because the drugs aren't the right ones or at the correct dose. One very famous animal sanctuary used cattle wormer on a different species and it just led to lots of worm resistance on the property and in the target species. if you're going to worm, why waste your money?
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My bad neighbour killed his dog that way - gave it Panacur along with the flock, forgetting he had included a flukicide, which turned out to be also a canicide >:( One dead dog :furious:
i cant rem which one but there is a hors wormer which is fatal to dogs aswell.
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i spoke to the vet that said the white worm er is more affective than eney other so sheep and chickins get it £10 to do the lot.
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Hi,unless it is an emergency and your hens are infested with worms,why not just wait a few more weeks until your chicks are 15 or 16 weeks old.Then you can worm everything with your flubenvet mixed feed.
Personally if it were me I would do them all when the growers are 12 weeks old,a week of feeding the grower layers pellets won't hurt them,I only found out a few years ago that they made growers pellets up till then I feed every thing layers.
Graham
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i spoke to the vet that said the white worm er is more affective than eney other so sheep and chickins get it £10 to do the lot.
our vet told us to use it on pigs too,
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My bad neighbour killed his dog that way - gave it Panacur along with the flock, forgetting he had included a flukicide, which turned out to be also a canicide >:( One dead dog :furious:
i cant rem which one but there is a hors wormer which is fatal to dogs aswell.
Anything containing Ivermectin is harmful to Collie breeds and their cross-breeds. It crosses the barrier to the brain and causes great damage there, possibly death. I think that they might have made a product of the same class that is supposed to be safe for them, but I still don't like to use it. I have also heard to be careful with it when treating Dobermann and Pinchers. :dog:
Also permethrin is fatal to cats. Many dog flea/tick products contain that, and making the mistake to treat the cat with the same product will kill it :'( :cat:
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If I use flea spray in the house/kennels will that be dangerous for the cats? They are mainly outside but can get indoors or the kennels. All the dogs and cats are treated with Frontline but I was spraying permethrin to keeps the moths out of the carpets.
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It depends if the cats have a habit of spending a lot of time where permethrin (or similar compounds) have been sprayed.
As far as I know, it will be very toxic if the cat was sprayed and then washed itself. By licking it off their fur it is absorbed by mucosae and will cause the symptoms of toxicosis. However if they only go through an area where it has been sprayed, as long as they don't sleep in there/stay too long it should be ok. Those type of product are slowly absorbed through the skin so a short time shouldn't harm.
But if I were you Bramblecot I'd stop using those anyway, and dispose of the empties. You never know if a bottle is misplaced/loses the label, or if you delegate to flea the cats to somebody else, there are endless possibilities better not to think of. I always advocate for better safe than sorry!!
I'm sure there are other products that are cat-safe that could be used for moths and other pests.
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