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Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: ellisr on February 16, 2011, 01:50:17 pm
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My neighbour has started his silly tricks again.
I had a sheep fall down dead yesterday and low and behold today the animal welfare are here reacting to a report of dead animals.
The only person that could have seen this animal is him as she died in the home paddock and was moved to a holding area 5 minutes after dying which is covered over and locked until collection to stop foxes etc getting to it.
Last year I had a order to get rid of my cockerals because of him and now he is starting on the sheep as he says that it should only be horses kept there. What the heck am I supposed to do?
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Just had a chat with my OH and he is that sick of this neighbour he now wants to get rid of all of our animals
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Oh NO, that's awful. some people are just put on this earth to whinge and complain >:(
WHatever you do don't get rid of your animals!! I wonder if Animal welfare could serve a return complaint about time wasters? you had followed procedure for dealing with deadstock so I'm sure AW will not be best pleased about some muppet phoning to moan.
why does he say it shoudl only be horses?
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When he bought the house next door somebody had said that my house was only used for horses and no other animal. We moved in at the same time as he did so there was no animals there but the grazing rights gives us basically the rights to have most animals.
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Then you must keep that right, for future owners if nothing else. It is your neighbour who is in the wrong and your OH should see that. If you let him get away with this then your property could lose the right to keep animals on it. Have you spoken to him face to face about why he doesn't like animals otehr than horses. Doesn't he realise that in fact they are less of a concern to him than horses would be? Horses can escape and trample over his property. This is far less likely with sheep, and less of a problem. If you have any going to slaughter perhaps you could charm him with a shoulder of lamb? It's always better to get on with your neighbours if at all possible, although, having had them myself, difficult ones can be a PITA. Good luck, but don't get rid of your animals because of an ignorant man
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We haven't spoke to him since the issue with the cockerals last year as he is hell bent on bad mouthing us around the village. He always seems to be there if any of the sheep escape which at first I didn't pay any attention to but it got a little obvious that he was always around and fences had been cut or energisers switched off.
I think OH is wanting an easier life after the stress of last time
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We had a similar thing with our neighbours >:(
People want to have a nice house in the country with a bit of land and a couple of ponies - then, once they move in (next to an already established farm btw) they moan about the pigs, the chickens, basically everything and anything that's here ::)
FIGHT HIM ON THIS - PLEASE ! If you've got a CPH number and animal health are happy with your set up then you're doing nothing wrong - he wanted a house in the country ? Well, this is country living ! and all the sights and sounds that go with it.
Incidentally, said neighbours have unfortunately split up (and I am sad for them) but they're not living in the house anymore and not making my life hell. A lot of people like the idea of living in the country, the reality soon kicks in however and they'll be on their way soon enough ;) I know it's an awful position to be in, you're constantly watching every move you make - but tough it out ! We're all here to help & support you :-* :-* :-*
Karen x
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I was also going to say if you have a CPH which you will have to graze your sheep then he hasnt a leg to stand on, the land can be used for sheep, not just horses.
Our neighbours moved from the city, wanting a country life, we are both in rented accomodation and they are looking for a place with land! You never see them outside, only time they come out is to smoke on the doorstep, moan when its snowing and when he goes to work.
She loves seeing my chicks when they hatch but when the cockerels find their voices, oh, she is in such a rush to tell me, then when I say we are despatching them, well, you would think I was the worst person in the world.
And dont get me started on when they discovered bats in their belfry, the utter look of horror when we explained they couldnt get shut of them as they are protected.
They annoy us, but we find their towny views quite amusing.
Dont give in, keep your animals and prove that you have a right to be there and so do your animals! Good Luck, keep us posted.
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well we are waiting for the reports to the letting agency again now, as with last year there were reports of everything from not cutting the grass to overcrowding (only 2 of us live in a 3 bedroom). I think this is what OH doesn't want again but I'm willing to fight it wore me down last year but it won't this year I'm not doing anything wrong and unfortunately livestock do die or are taken by foxes.
I am going to try and talk him round tonight as he is all for packing up and leaving now.
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Try and talk him round ;)
Why should you be made to feel that you can't enjoy your house any more that they enjoy theirs - IT'S NOT FAIR !
You could try talking, if thing's haven't soured too much with them - but if it's not possible to be civil, do it through the proper channells and STAND YOUR GROUND !
It all comes back to the old Braveheart speech "They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom !" ;) ;D ;D ;D
Karen x
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miserable bugger end of....
the world is full of soul destroying people so far up their own behinds its scary...
can you tell i'm jealous and want to live in the countryside complete with smells and noise!!!
Stay tough, think of the sheep...
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Definately not talking to him as he is so arrogant it makes no difference. He made me feel really bad last year and I didn't want to go out as he constantly watches me around the place and even when I was trying to train Blue and falling off all the time. He has even complained to my other neighbour because I start my car at 6am during the week because I go to work he is a born complainer. But I think this time he will find the sharp end of my tongue as I am not taking it, and be darned if he splits me and the OH up this time.
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Eww he sounds creepy and horrible :-\ there always seems to be one in every road/village. We keep getting complaints that our tree's hang too low (so we had them cut back and got complaints that the tractor/hedge cutter closed the road for an hour lol) then complaints that the carer who looks after my terminally ill mum parks for 30 minutes out side our house and it slows traffic down (good!!) Tony gets really hacked off, it makes me wobble for a bit but at the end of the day, its their sad little life and hard as it is to do so, we have to ignore them when possible x
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When the wheather warms up I'm going to invite loads of people over for a BBQ and fun then see what he says
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you will need to try the Indian rope scenario
give him enough rope and he will hang himself(literally speaking)
yes it will wear you down but rise above it
it is every body's dream to live in the country but there are downsides the first being neighbours as you have found out
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Go round and stick one on the miserable barsteward.
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When the wheather warms up I'm going to invite loads of people over for a BBQ and fun then see what he says
Great idea but with our weather you may have to wait a while
and be darned if he splits me and the OH up this time. - Good grief he didn't do that last time did he? In the end of the day your relationship with your partner is what is important and you must take that into consideration too, so if you are renting perhaps you may have to consider moving on, but please,please try to persuade your OH that you can be strong enough fro both of you with us behind you. Bring him to the computer to read all these replies!
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It always amazes me that there are so many of these people about.Don't let them win! You could complain to the police about harassment. Start keeping a log about what happens. It's not on!
We have problems with new neighbours who obviously expected a rural idyll but instead found themselves next to a working smallholding. We're about to apply for a polytunnel and they'll go ballistic - again. We so hope they'll move back to whichever ghastly suburb spawned them.
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the police you would be as well going to the pop group of the same name
the dispute we had with our neighbour was according to the police a feud a one sided feud with 59 complaints we gave him enough rope and boy did he hang himself the final court case resulted in him lying in court (against documents logged in court) and why did it get there because we objected to him discharging humane effluent onto our land . the police the procurator fiscal SEPA(formally FRPB) planning dept all as much use as a broken leg
footnote to Dan if this is virulent tough until you are in this position you are blissfully unaware of how inadequate the aforementioned are
as a point of interest this nursing home owner had sheep dead one lying at the back of the Dyke for a week he was also fined for cruelty to his dog left in car on hot day
now don't take this as a rant i have not even started
apologies to elliser for highjacking the thread
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Don't mind you ranting it's good to clear the air and helps you cope. I have managed to persuade OH to sit tight for now and just do the best for the animals. If he becomes a danger to the animals then we will react but until then we continue on but keep a diary of his complaints and also him watching me from his upstairs window. I will wave everytime I notice him to make it clear I know he is there and watching. I am not going to stress as I have done nothing wrong except I hadn't wrote down her death before I left for work this morning
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we also had gates left open(all padlocked after ) a tractor had metal filings in the rear axle mysterious fires investigations by various body's and a smirk that you could fit a loaf of bread into
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not read this whole post but if it was me i would personaly make his life a living hell i would personally make appearances then just disapear make him think he is no one finda piece of land and move the animals there . for sumer grazing say then let him moan then watch his barn go up in flames. me i would sabatage feed so he would need to ask me for favours. i would love a bit of warfare on my land i would dominate the whole place i so say got kicked out where i kept my pony because i took over what i did do was provide grass whatr i did not do was take over but what i say is i will have the last laugh
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I do feel for you, having had similar problems with neighbours. I cannot see what the issue is with your grazing. Unless your tenancy specifically says the grazing is only for horses, which I cannot see it would be, there is no problem. As for the dead sheep, again, you did nothing wrong.
I understand the pressure you are under, I have been in a similar position. Please do not let this sad individual drive you away. Animal health will realise its not you, but him who has the problem if he keeps complaining all the time. He needs something else to do to occupy his mind - sounds like watching you has become his main pastime.
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sounds like watching you has become his main pastime.
Which could be looked at as stalking
I'd send him a lawyer's letter of impending court action if he doesn't stop all the harassment .... failing that, a good kicking might be in order :D
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Some people seem to think that if they whinge (sp?) enough they can get whatever they want (possibly something to do with how they were raised?). But if you give in to them it only proves them right.
I must admit it can be very stressful & wearing standing up to them though. For what it's worth you've got my sympathy.
I would second Daveravey's advice about a lawyers letter, and try and document these incidents as such evidence may be very useful later on.
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if he wants horses maybe you should keep a stallion for a while - they can't half make a noise when they want to. ;D
mab
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I really feel for you having gone through a similar situation but, if you would like to benefit from our experience, read on :)
No matter how tempting, don't retaliate or get into rows with him. Neither try to win him over, you'll be playing into his hands. The best thing is to ignore his existence altogether, hard as this may be.
If he does something illegal or anti-social 'phone the police and insist they act.
I'm sure all your other neighbours have gathered by now that he has mental health issues and will take no notice of his complaints.
Carry on, enjoy your animals and ignore this person's presence. Remember the old saying "Sticks and stones........"
Good luck, I'm sure I can say we're all 100% behind you. :bouquet:
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I couldn't afford a stallion the damage they cause can be quite expensive. I remember the last stallion we had in the family kicked the side out of a stone barn and TBH I really could not be bothered with the complaints if I did.
I made sure that the sheep were vocal at 6am this morning when I was feeding them and when I took the horse out he went onto the tarmac bit of the drive and walked up and down a couple of times, just for the exercise of course.
This weekend will be fun as it is worming time for the lambs again and as everyone joins in we should have cutlet running a muck as usual. If he thinks we need to catch him he jumps the fence and runs up and down the drive making a good old racket.
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Agree with others you should keep a detailed diary of him watching you and any complaints he makes, plus the facts relevant eg sheep died and was moved for collection to secure area within minutes..
I would also go down the stalking route - make your diary evidence that he is stalking you and you feel oppressed/scared by his constant peering at you and get a lawyer and the police involved sooner rather than later - every time he engages with you is then evidence of his growing obsession with your activities and persecuting you rather than as he sees it his "legitimate complaints" being ignored. Even if it takes a long time before the police are involved, at least you have the start of a case being made before anything more serious happens.
Whatever you do, don't retaliate and don't wind him up with activities intended to make his life miserable eg walking your horse on tarmac, intentionally stirring up the sheep at 6am, this is evidence in his favour not yours. You need to continue doing what is legitimately required to care for animals but with a reasonable care not to make things more difficult than they need to be for anyone else. Don't let your frustration lead you into his game of tit for tat as that is how he'll win, with a bit of video of you doing something stupid that proves you are antagonising him rather than running your smallholding as considerately as you can but with certain unavoidable noise/smell/disruption that goes with country living.
Presumably the animal welfare will have checked your records and given you a clean bill of health - keep it and it is further evidence of his harassment, don't let yourself get sucked in or driven away..
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DONT LET THE BUGGER BEAT YOU, be strong and stick together, you will get through this, you have us lot on your side :bouquet: :hshoe: :wave:
im a strong believer in " every dog has its day", stick in there it will come good
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I've just been shafted by an ex - well present sort of - neighbour! Was a neighbour when I lived there and were always jealous of what me and John had and showed it, no longer a neighbour since I've moved - not because of them though.
I kept a plot of land when I moved in the hope I could get planning for it and I'd then have a pension boost. Tried last year but old regs put kibosh on it, was hoping to go for it again when new regs come through. Had a tree surgeon friend look at the three huge beech trees on the site and he suggested taking them down before reapplying, but hadn't had the time to do it yet. Sneaky neighbours must have seen him looking at them, who had previously objected to the application, and have now gone to the council and got TPOs slapped on them. Without telling me and I only found out from another (good) neighbour. I'll probably not have a lot chance of get planning now, so if anyone wants 700 sq metres of land in Aberdeenshire, with a large shed and an old railway carriage on it make me an offer! Perseverance might get through but at my age I can't sit and wait for that. It's a damn shame as it's a lovely wee hamlet, tucked away a couple of miles off the main Aberdeen Inverness road. All the other neighbours are lovely and the annoying thing is these ones have their house up for sale, so won't be staying!
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pump a few gallons of tree killer in them, diesel will do !!! ...they will die and then need to be taken down for safety's sake !! just make sure the arsehole doesn't see you pump the tree killer in ....
I know big companies just cut them down anyway , and then just pay the fine ...job done though ...
cheers
Russ
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i really feel for you, we had neighbours from hell for a few years too. they put weedkiller on our land whilst the ewes and lambs were there and killed our wensleydale tup. they were always complaining bout our cockeral. we had police, council and allsorts on our doorstep for no real reason. they finally moved away, thank the lord!!! in hind sight we should have nipped it in the bud but we let them get away with it at the time, cos we didnt want the hassle. now we have great neighbours so keep positive !!
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The animal welfare people will get bored with false call-outs. Even if you do what they want (why?) they're still going to be arses and you'll be unhappy.
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So you give up all your animals whilst still living next door to neighbour. You are unhappy without the animals, OH is unhappy because you are unhappy and the neighbour still wont be happy, so he will have to find something else to complain about you
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My advise to you would be to try and ignore this neighbour. Keep a day by day diary of any events and pictures if possible it can always be used if needed. If you have a holding number with the flock number for sheep he does not have a leg to stand on with reference to grazing for horses only.
If your husbandry for you animals is good and you have passed all farm inspections there should be no problems with regard to animal health, in fact give yourself a pat on the back.
It really annoys me that some people expect to live in the country on their terms. If there was no farmers farming the land (big & small) what would our countryside look like.
You hang on in there. You have as much right if not more to be there.
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Tell us where he lives and we'll send the boys round ;D
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After catching up on this post all I can say is good luck and hang on in there - I would be lost without my goats/shhep/ducks etc so I'll keep my fingers crossed for you
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It's really interesting to read everyone's views on this and I feel really sorry for you too.
Similar in some ways to our situation, we live in a small village, we are a registered smallholding and have chickens, ducks, sheep, pigs and horses. Our laying chickens free range and our neighbour (ex townie, no animals....) phoned me the other day to tel me they "were digging up his garden and his bulbs". Same old, same old. In the past we have put up a fence and kept them in their own area, but this time I decided that they do have a right to wander around the village and if he wants to keep them out his garden he is quite entitled to put up a fence.
I gently suggested that as bulbs should be about 4 inched deep i didnt think that they would be digging them up - he blamed his gardeners! i then said that if they were proving to be a nuisance when the growing season started, then it might be an idea to put up some fencing to keep them out. he said that he was quite happy for ME to put up some fencing....i politely declined.
so i am in a bit of a quandry, i dont want to fall out with him as it is a wee village but i also dont want to stop my hens freeranging. we fence off the areas of the garden where we dont want them. and when another neighbours chickens repeatedly came into our garden, she just told us to chase them - which we did and they stopped...well after we fenced off the areas we didnt want them in anyway!
advice?
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these people are typical of the types you find moving out into the countryside, except they know nothing about the countryside and complain at the first cocks crow or smell of manure. Do not at all change your ways, you are in the countryside and have every right to have livestock and all the noises and smells that come with farming. I had exactly the same problem when I worked on farms, people wan't to live in the countryside but don't want to abide by the country ways.
If they don't like it then why don't they sod off back to the city.
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I have every sympathy with the neighbour not wanting your chickens to dig up his garden, whether he owns animals or not. I'd be horribly embarrassed if our chickens did to our neighbours what they do to our orchard.
Legally it depends where you live. See Rylands v Fletcher from a very long time ago.
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I must admit to huge embarrasment when Hilary went off to visit our neighbour (about half a kilometre away). Apparently loud bang on her front door, she opened it and in walked Hilary. Fortunately neighbour produced her broom and out went Hilary!!!!
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and when is Hilary going to tell her story
you tell us all she is a bit of a handful maybe she has a different version of the story...
"Today i made my way to the neighbours house in the hope of an adventure, I politly knocked on the door to see if anyone wanted to come and play and then I was visciously attacked with a broom, does no one love me"
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does no one love me"
This morning She upset Digby who burst indoors in a panic, knocking dog over and treading on my bare foot in the process.
Not much love there today ....
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I think legally stock owners are required to keep their stock in, not the other way round.
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in scotland it is the other way about if you dont want stock in your land you fence it or dyke it
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in scotland it is the other way about if you dont want stock in your land you fence it or dyke it
That's correct. In England and Wales you have to fence things in while in Scotland you fence them out.
Essentially in England if you have something on your land which causes trouble when it gets out then it's your responsibility to keep it in. The original court case in 18 something was to do with the collapse of a dam and the escape of water. It's part of the tort of nuisance under English Common Law though subsequent Statute Law is going to have covered many things that it would covered, pollution for example.
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yeah easy to fence them in but when you come home to the field gates open you don't have much chance of keeping livestock in. Well I have been ignoring the neighbour and his antics and recording the watching from the window (which is really off putting when you are assisting a ewe lambing) I have an old sheep and I'm dreading him passing on, which maybe soon as he is slowing down and has lost a bit of weight lately for no other reason than age. I think the passing of the old ewe has actually had an effect on him as they were always together and he now is wandering by himself looking a bit lost.
At the weekend I found a dead lamb in the top of far field which was not one of mine but I have to get rid of it before neighbour kicks up a stink again.
I also found out that this neighbour has been stirring up the residents that are on the parish council and now the farmer a few doors up has had his planning for a couple of agri barns refused. This neighbour is really stirring things up and he forgets that we are all surrounded by this farmers land and he can slurry the fields every week if he wishes and that would be very fresh.
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Sounds like a plan there :D :D :D
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maybe you and the farmer could start sending solictors letters over every thing he does. if he keeps sticking the animal folks onto you write to them and explain that your being harished by him. they are not stupid after being messed about a few times they tend to get the picture. if he has large leylandi over hanging your land lodge a complaint with the council they can be treat as a nuisance.
a fresh supply of pig muck fertlising your boundry with theres will keep his windows closed for a while.
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You can "trim" the trees back to the boundery of your land legally, the only thing the council will be interested in is if the roots undermine your building foundations, or if he refuses to keep the height under control IIRC.
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He has 7' wooden fences all the way around his property. I have peeked through a gap and his garden is full of rubble and bare soil no garden as such out the back. He has the front looking nice where it can be seen from the road.
because the fences are so high he actuall stands at his upstairs window to watch me in the paddock which is at the top of my garden and he has a view of my bottom field from there too. He has already complained about my manure pile that is over the other side of the garden near the fence I share with my nice neighbours. Everything he can see from his bedroom he complains about, I was supposed to be putting the pigs in the top paddock but don't want to as he can see them and he is bound to complain about the noise, smell etc.
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get piggies
do not let grumpy people ruin your life...
you moved there to keep animals so do it!!!
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7ft high ?
You need planning for anything above 6' 6" ;)
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I have piggies I just don't keep them where I planned to keep them, I have basically a redundant home paddock that I can now only use for ewes with lambs whilst they are still bonding and my tiny polytunnel and a small veg patch.
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7ft high ?
You need planning for anything above 6' 6" ;)
I assume they are 7' as I can't reach the top of them and they are way above OH head and he is 6'2". Apparently there is something wrong with the planning on his house anyway (other neighbour mentioned) but I wouldn't be as cruel as to persue that as it could mean destruction of his home.
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7ft high ?
You need planning for anything above 6' 6" ;)
I assume they are 7' as I can't reach the top of them and they are way above OH head and he is 6'2". Apparently there is something wrong with the planning on his house anyway (other neighbour mentioned) but I wouldn't be as cruel as to persue that as it could mean destruction of his home.
nope but it might be worth mentioning that you could if you wanted too, see if he can learn some manners...
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ooooh .. me being me , I would just go round and kick the crap out of him ....ok so I would get nicked ... but I would walk out of nick on two feet ...he wouldn't come out of hospital the same way ....but if there is a problem with his planning ...oh happy christmas ... I would have his house down round his ears , within ten minutes of the next time he reported me for anything ...even if it was valid !!!!
I have found there is no point in being nice to arseholes , if they crap on you , hurt them !!!! I have had a few problems , and I told them to be normal and leave me alone ( I wasn't doing anything wrong, they were just arseholes making my life hell , or trying to !!) , they didn't leave me alone , so I told them to leave off again , or I would hurt them !!! they didn't ...so when they came out of hospital , they moved !!!
If people get away with crapping on others they just keep on doing it . Batter seven colours of crap out of them , and they think twice. OOOh life on the edge eh ? ::) ;D
cheers
Russ
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rustyme i just love your take on life and you did not resort to nitram and kero
elliser if he has a problem with planning thats your bonus card now as i said already i have been in a similar situation and there is a lot of good advice on here unorthodox yes but gets results quote(so when they come out of hospital,they moved) slowly i would imagine
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7ft high ?
You need planning for anything above 6' 6" ;)
Apparently there is something wrong with the planning on his house anyway (other neighbour mentioned) but I wouldn't be as cruel as to persue that as it could mean destruction of his home.
Sorry, but b*****ks to that
He's making yourlife unbearable, so stuff him >:(
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I had a neighbour just like you, he knew our every move, tried to claim part of our farm road by having tubs of flowers up the side. In the end we put the fence right down past his cottage which he took down so that was a police job and right in front of the police he said he could do what he liked on OUR road. Fence went back up. He threatened to kill our cats, put yew branches in one of the paddocks I had 2 horses in. Lucky I saw them I got them out before they were eaten. I became very depressed, my riding area was next to his cottage and he used to get his strimmer out all the time. One morning I went out for a hack and was coming back when he spotted me and rushed to get the strimmer on, he was near some lose stones which were thrown up towards my horse Ben who got very upset and started jumping all over the place. My neighbour got the fright of his life, me I just found it funny that his silly trick had back fired on him. After that event I made up my mind not to let him get to me and he moved later on that year. We have cameras that watch the ponies inside and out so no one can get near us now without being spotted. We put chains and padlocks on all our gates to stop him letting the animals out, have electric fencing everywhere to keep people from trying to climb over and sheep netting to keep dogs from chasing the animals. People who came to our area on holiday thought it was ok to let their dogs chase our ponies. Please do not give in , he is just a bully. Stay strong and get on with your life on your land the way you want :pig: :chook: :sheep: :horse: :farmer:
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He did learn his lesson with the horse I asked him not to bang on the fence after 6pm as the horse was in the stable at the other side and the sound was amplified so the horse would kick the side of the stable. He ignored me and nearly had kitten when a hoof came through and just missed him. I made him fix the shelter as I had a few witnesses when I asked him and when Blue kicked through so he didn't argue. I think that may have annoyed him
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RUSTYME you could sell your services on here, I love your attitude. I remember my now husband working with street homeless and there was one very large man with moderate learning difficulties, I rang as I was having issues with my divorce as my ex was making things hard and as this man heard my new hubby on the phone to me, he said "don't worry, I'll sort him, where does he live?" needless to say we did not tell him but sometimes you could do with a hard nut around!!! ;)
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lol... £250 for broken legs £200 for arms , thats per pair , £100 for a jaw £50 per cheek bone , £15 per rib , teeth are free , I keep them as souvenirs !!! ( someones tooth popped out of my right hand after it had been there for a couple of years, once ::) ;D ;D)
If the job is a big nasty bugger , I may do it for free !!!! the big ones are just more satisfying 8) , but I would appreciate it if the customer could supply a nice new pick axe handle for me to use .
Think that covers most things ... ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
ps; don't take it serious folks !!! ( apart from the tooth in the hand bit , and the prices and the new pa handle !!!)
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oh the joy.
complain about the trees just so he gets a visit.
complain about his fence.
complain that you have seen rats in his garden. well one big one.
now if he was banging on the fence to cause injury to your horse or you after requesting him not to there must be a complant there rspca/police.
he has been spying on you as a lady you should be concerned and lodge a complaint about his peeping tom behaviour.
if his building is out with planning and he is a real pain then make a complant. at best he will have to get retro planning.
don't let him do the bullying. and don't give up what your dreams are.
and if none of them work a few tons fresh muck dumped on his front garden will annoy him.
by the sounds of it he has annoyed your neighbour as well.
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B###er me, Rusty, I don't know whether to be glad you don't live next door or wish you did!! ;D
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Personally I'd never resort to violence unless in self defence - its completely pointless and most the time will not solve any problem only breed more contempt and further your original problems.
Its hard I admit not to go over the top though in these situations as its very frustrating, I know.
I have a neighbour who comes here for holidays, he bought part of the farm when it was split as the ex owner slowly went bankrupt. I have had a few run-ins with him verbally - normally when its the evening and I'm having a beer ;) I tend to be very noisy - partly why I moved to the middle of nowhere (I've always had noise complaints and council bans of owning electrical amplification equipment). The last was a complaint here was about having a radio on while building my patio at 5pm, only a tin pot roberts radio too - he stated that he was here for the quiet and didnt want my noise invading his space. After a big argument I decided to move the radio, turn it down, and start cleaning the sheds out with the mini digger till 10 at night.
I told him that I lived here and worked every day and found that the radio helped to pass the time and the comedy show on radio two was something I enjoyed listening too and laughing out loud at, if he didnt like it - goto an oldies holiday camp!!
We have a campsite on our back fields and one day a punter told my misses not to ride the quad to feed the horses at 8pm cos of the noise - yes they had a kid that was trying to sleep - but wtf it is advertised as a campsite and working farm, did he really expect there to be no work going on past the 5.30 he normally quits at?
I had a call from the council in my last terrace house before we got here about the noise of the toilet flushing!! When the police came round I told them that I loved staying up all night flushing the toilet to keep him awake - I dont think he understood satire, but did apologise for having to answer such a ludicrous claim.
My advice is carry on as normal and ignore him, I know its hard, but as long as you dont go and break his legs, eventually the law will be on your side when he finally oversteps the mark and then you can go after him.
Baz
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different strokes for different folks ... more than one way to skin a cat ....blah blah blah ...
Been nicked loads of times .. never once convicted or even prosecuted ... just a nice cup of tea and a biccy with plod whilst have having a chat, and then off home .... am I bovvered nah !!!! ::) ;D ;D but I am 53 now , and those days are gone (but if I have to , I can do a Frank Sinatra comeback , mind you , he ain't done one lately :o ;D ;D ).
On the whole , you wouldn't know I lived next to you though . I don't cause trouble , I only speak when spoken to , I don't interfere with what others are doing and I don't do things that will annoy others , like play loud music !!!! :D , I don't drink ,I don't smoke and I don't do drugs . I even walk away from arguments , rather than kick off , but when push comes to shove ....well in the words of Rambo.." don't push me " you won't like the response !!
cheers
Russ
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in scotland it is the other way about if you dont want stock in your land you fence it or dyke it
Seriously? You sure? Don't tell Dan - I've got him fencing for the next umpty weekends ;D
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lucky dan :-)
at least i get paid when im building fences :-)
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lucky dan :-)
at least i get paid when im building fences :-)
He gets fed.
Sorry, off topic. This really shocks me - I think I must live in Disneyworld (thank goodness) as we've always had great neighbours. I do so feel for anyone who has difficult neighbours - it must be really debilitating.
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I hear where you are coming from Russ, sometimes the only solution is your solution - I'd just need someone like you to do it as my haymakers can be seen for miles before they collide. I've never been a fighter - partly because I cant :)
I agree with you Rosemary, it must (or can be) demoralising living next door to someone who you consider to be complaining about something you see as just normal everyday life. Your very lucky to be either very quiet and nice or not had to live next door to a noise/space nazi.
Baz
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well rosemary some people are tolerant of others stock and the remainder not so but you have got your boys to send round??
nothing wrong with disneyworld or rose tinted glasses it is when the cold reality of what others are capable of that shocks and alarams to the point of giving in give them enough rope and they will hang themselves then you can get your own back
PS you better get some more fencing for Dan just to keep him from reading the posts
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He can come and help with mine as the fencing was cut again last night
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Oh no, your neighbour sounds like a headcase >:(
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you are going to have to say something, to some one, get this man put back in his place, you may not wnat to stand up to him but i think you will have to,
something about bullies, stand up to them and they back down they dont like to be faced, and belittled.
he will just keep going if he thinks he is getting away with it,
"girl power sorted the washing machine out, girl power has given 2 new lambs a life,"
"GIRL POWER CAN SORT YA MAN OUT" go get him girl :bouquet: :wave:
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elliser you will have to electrify the fence you will also have to be watching as well so that when he goes breakdancing after touching the wires you can laugh at him now fence manufacturers tell you small mammals only last 20min when caught in the fence large animals and humans will succumb the same i would imagine
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in scotland it is the other way about if you dont want stock in your land you fence it or dyke it
is that right? whos fault is it if ponies are reaching over the stock fence into neighbours gardens?
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The fences are electrifide but they get turned off. I have to be careful as there is a public path across my land. The only people that use the path is an old couple to walk there dog they are busy bodies but there heart is in the right place. I keep myself to myself and don't bother people and only really speak when spoken to. O am keeping a diary of him watching me as he has to go to his upstairs to watch me so it is deliberate
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the diary is a brilliant idea. sounds like you could get him prosecuted for not only criminal damage but stalking too.
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princess that is different if it is a march fence(both parties paid for it)then it is designed wrong
if you paid for it it is sod all to do with the neighbour and they cant even hang a jacket on it
if it is the neighbour that paid for it they did not build it high enough and you cant hang your jacket on it if your horse is damaging the fence you are responsible for there actions
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As well as keeping a diary I'd be taking pictures, a lot of them, frequently and very obviously. When you see him watching you, take a picture. When something gets damaged or disconnected report it to the police. Also report concerns that he is stalking you - it's one of the things people do.
CCTV cameras are good when you control them because they show what you are doing as well. But they cost money to install. The actual cameras are very cheap so if it is feasible to place some very obvious cameras where you think he is causing trouble then their presence, wired or not, will be effective. You can also (may be different in Scotland) monitor your livestock and land and somehow the picture will include his house. He won't like the feeling that you are watching him.
We have found our PCSO's (the not-quite police) to be very helpful if ineffective. They have few powers but they do love to be consulted and their records count. You are making a legal, honourable and valuable contribution to society and you have nothing to hide.
What he is doing is bullying, and bullies never like to take their own medicine.
Pre-empt the death of your sheep by telling your vet (not a call-out, just a note on file) and telling the animal welfare people what you think may happen. Ask them if they want to come: they won't but it is good PR. In other words get your retaliation in before the attack so that his inevitable attempts to cause trouble bite him back.
You need to do some PR with your local councillors too. You're not asking for anything from them, just informing them of what you do and welcoming them to come and see. He complains to them and you are nice to them - you see how it works.
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ps; don't take it serious folks !!! ( apart from the tooth in the hand bit , and the prices and the new pa handle !!!)
Thanks for adding that Russ.
There's some very good advice from waterhouse and others. Just to be clear, we don't condone violence as described in this thread - it's a criminal offence and despite Russ's experience you're likely to end up in the pokey or heavily fined, and with a criminal record.
Public service message ends. :farmer:
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will rosemary be allowed out to play again?????
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no probs Dan,
as you have probably guessed , I am not PC , never have been never will be .
I don't intend to offend or outrage anyone , but if my words do , so be it . Most are said tongue in cheek , or from MY point of view , and although I see no reason to justify my words or actions to anyone , on a public forum such as this , that doesn't belong to me , I understand that in this totally insane world of "you can't say that or this" (the PC world that I do not inhabit) my words will seem somewhat over the top .
I wouldn't advocate that anyone go round and break bones for money , that was a joke , a sad one maybe , but isn't it equally sad that it has to be explained that it was a joke ? hence the PS.
It is a very sad world that words meant in jest could offend and cause offence maybe even compliant ?, or outrage , and yet people will put up with their lives being torn apart , trodden into the dirt , years of total misery , by some arsehole neighbours actions . I wouldn't .
I do try to curb my non PC view of life, and the way I talk , when I am on the forum . I don't always succeed !. As I have said , I don't intend to offend but I lose no sleep if WORDS do so.
I say it as it is from my view point . I don't say that that view is correct , it is just mine ! I grew up in an era where you were entitled to say what you wanted , within reason , that 'reason' seems to have gone (but not for me ).
I would like to thank you ,Dan and Rosemary , for allowing my ramblings without edit or interference , I appreciate my views may well be on what is the edge of acceptance these days , or at least I walk a thin line ...life on the edge again ... someone has to keep you on your toes though mate !!! ;D ;D ;D
Remember the old rhyme folks 'sticks and stones may break my bones , but names will never harm me !!' see I am not the only one :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
cheers
Russ
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I'm foaming we have had another visit from animal welfare today as the neighbour seen my sheep give birth and the stillborn lamb and reported us saying we had left the carcass in the paddock when it has been removed correctly. He is the only person that could see this part of my property from his upstair window if you have to walk to that part you have to climb 2 fences and would be trespassing.
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what do animal health say have you explained its malicious reports?
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i hope you made it clear it is all just down to your t**t of a neighbour, your time to act and get him is coming, you will find the strength to fight him and WIN im sure :wave:
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I'm reporting him to the police this weekend for watching me I have had enough of his stupidity now. Why the heck should I hide in the house and not enjoy my property
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Absolutely - you are being stalked, intimidated and made to feel a prisoner. This is not right. Bad enough having a still born lamb without this little sh&te watching and commentating (inaccurately).
good luck with the police - I am sure you will get help, let us know x
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ellisr good for you, were right behind you, here if you need to chat.
he needs putting back in his place
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he needs putting back in his place
yep, that'll be that rock he's slimed out from then ;)
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ellisr good for you, were right behind you, here if you need to chat.
he needs putting back in his place
I disagree, the :censored: needs a good slapping :boxing gloves: :hong kong fuey:
Dan, we need more smilies mate
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I had to hold myself back when I got into the village tonight. I just wanted to go and give him a piece of my mind. The animal health were happy with everything and just advised of a place that would take stillborn carcasses as we have been struggling to find somewhere. He is aware of our side of the story but the spineless creep next door does it anomonous (sp). I am exhausted but I'm giving up this time. I need to build a stable door this weekend so he will have to put up with it
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He's playing the system against you. Of course he deserves a good kicking but you can't do that. What you can do is play the system against him. You can't talk to him but you can talk to the people to whom he complains. This makes you friends because you don't ask anything of them you only give then useful information that makes their lives easier next time.
You've made a good start with the animal welfare people. They've been to see you (again), they found there wasn't a problem (again) and they've been helpful. You've won this battle and you've reinforced a relationship with people who matter. It's a success for you and a kick in the nuts for him, so have a drink and smile a bit.
OH has a technique for smiling sweetly at people who are being complete c+++s while saying things that make them foam with rage. Smile while the other guy loses it and you win.
We're here for you.
Simon