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eryl

  • Joined Apr 2020
birds!
« on: April 01, 2021, 02:00:45 pm »
give me your best shot everyone - how do you keep birds off your veg?

macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: birds!
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2021, 05:44:12 pm »
Grow inside a cage. Don't know any other methods that would really work.
Or next to andog kennel? Its only certain thing ms and usually only in spring. Brassicas are usually eating by pigeons when they are little etc
Growing loads of fruits and vegetables! Raising dairy goats, chickens, ducks, rabbits on 1/2 acre in the middle of the city of Leicester, using permaculture methods.

Q

  • Joined Apr 2013
Re: birds!
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2021, 07:25:43 pm »
I have little wooden arrows directing the birds to my neighbors allotment - he thinks its funny but it really works - or it could be the nets I have over everything.. :innocent:
If you cant beat 'em then at least bugger 'em about a bit.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: birds!
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2021, 09:59:34 pm »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doors-Garden-Net-Tunnel-Cloche/dp/B07FXJMCW3/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=net+cloches&qid=1617310309&sr=8-10

I found these 'garden skill' net cloches on Amazon.  They are nice and big:  a metre tall, a metre wide and 2 or 3 metres long, with unzippable windows to enable you to tend your crops.  They are much cheaper than the 'harrods horticultural' version.  They fit perfectly over 1 metre wide raised beds, or on flat ground.
If they are too small or too expensive, try Geoff Hamilton's old fashioned way of making hoops out of blue waterpipe then fixing net over, pinning it down tightly.  We are suffering a bit from pigeons which have destroyed our brassicas, also hens and geese during Bird Flu lockdown.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2021, 02:51:50 am by Fleecewife »
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macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: birds!
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2021, 12:05:40 am »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doors-Garden-Net-Tunnel-Cloche/dp/B07FXJMCW3/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=net+cloches&qid=1617310309&sr=8-10

I found these 'garden skill' net cloches on Amazon.  They are nice and big:  a metre tall, a metre wide and 2 or 3 metres long, with unzippable windows to enable you to tend your crops.  They are much cheaper than the 'harrods horticultural' version.  They fit perfectly over 1 metre wide raised beds, or on flat ground.
If they are too small or too expensive, try Geoff Hamilton's old fashioned way of making hoops out of blue waterpipe then fixing net over, pinning it down tightly.  We are suffering a bit from pigeons which have destroyed our brassicas, also hens and geese during Bird Flu lockdown.
I have cheap polytunnel from ebay - partially  covered only with chicken wire. Thats where I'm going to grow all the vulnerable veg and currant bushes - chickens ate all the fruit last year...
Muscovy drakes got to my sweet corn just before it was ready.... they loved it... It must have been delicious...
Growing loads of fruits and vegetables! Raising dairy goats, chickens, ducks, rabbits on 1/2 acre in the middle of the city of Leicester, using permaculture methods.

eryl

  • Joined Apr 2020
Re: birds!
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2021, 06:18:33 am »
garden way too big for nets or covers - would cost a fortune. anyone used these silver discs that you can hang round the garden? the reports about them are very good. Anyone had any luck with sonic scarers? Dont tell me about old CD's or video tape - both useless.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: birds!
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2021, 12:09:20 pm »
What about hawk silhouettes flying high?  I haven't tried them because I don't want to scare my hens or the wee birds, or acclimatise them to hawks, as we have plenty of real ones they need to run from. I have heard of owl shapes on a pole, with refective eyes as being worth a try too.
I use CDs but eventually the pigeons just duck under them.
There's zip wire which snaps in the breeze.
Last year I hung Tibetan bells all around the place - they sound nice but the pigeons quite like them too.
On a farming scale there are the birdscarers which go off like cannons at irregular intervals, mainly directed to rooks, but if you value your sanity and that of anyone within a couple of miles then you'll come up with something else.
Scarecrows which blow in the wind and twizzle round? The pigeons would probably soon work out that they're all threat and no action.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2021, 12:11:00 pm by Fleecewife »
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macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: birds!
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2021, 12:38:59 pm »
Plastic owls and hawks are useless I'm afraid...
Growing loads of fruits and vegetables! Raising dairy goats, chickens, ducks, rabbits on 1/2 acre in the middle of the city of Leicester, using permaculture methods.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: birds!
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2021, 12:40:45 pm »
Plastic owls and hawks are useless I'm afraid...

I'm not surprised - birds aren't daft  :roflanim:
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cans

  • Joined May 2013
Re: birds!
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2021, 01:19:37 pm »
How big an area - the whole area or specific planting areas?


At allotment we put a cage over the brassicas and canes with string zigzaged on beds, plastic bottles on top of canes.

Neighbouring plot has plasitc owl with rotating head, and bird feeders!

Biggest problem is cats and slugs

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: birds!
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2021, 01:28:44 am »
give me your best shot everyone - how do you keep birds off your veg?

I think it's time to be more specific @eryl .  We're struggling away trying to help in reply to a one-liner.  Which particular birds are you trying to keep off which particular veg, and exactly how much of each kind of veg do you have?  Also, what outlay can you afford or must the solution be free?
Which silver discs are you meaning if not CDs?  Are any of the suggestions we have made so far of any interest?  What measures have you tried in the past?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2021, 01:32:33 am by Fleecewife »
Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

eryl

  • Joined Apr 2020
Re: birds!
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2021, 08:06:23 am »
firstly ,thank you all for replying. Obviously the birds im referring to are pigeons and corvids. It a large area so netting or any other covers are out of the question. Owls, hawks (moving or otherwise) do not work, neither do CD's or video tape. OIve seen these silver rings advertised and they have a 5 star rating (i know that sometimes means nothing) - wondered had any body tried them. I grow potatoes, brassicas, legumes and root crops. I'll ask again - anyone tried the electronic sonic bird repellents?

chrismahon

  • Joined Dec 2011
  • Gascony, France
Re: birds!
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2021, 09:04:01 am »
When we moved here they previous owner had used an electronic mole repellant. It used to emit a horrible high-pitched noise every 10 seconds and fortunately she took it with her. The place was deserted of wildlife- no birds of any description and no moles either. They all gradually returned over the first year.


So I'd say the electronic bird repellant would work, but probably too well.

macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: birds!
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2021, 10:17:08 am »
Yes, if you scare all the birds away you will have slug and insect infestation.
You don't need to cover potatoes and root crops - if you can find a net or cloche to cover the brassicas - that should be enough. No?
Growing loads of fruits and vegetables! Raising dairy goats, chickens, ducks, rabbits on 1/2 acre in the middle of the city of Leicester, using permaculture methods.

eryl

  • Joined Apr 2020
Re: birds!
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2021, 02:06:41 pm »
@macgro, slugs are nocturnal and owls eat rodents not slugs and i dont know of any other bird that is both slug eating and nocturnal. Anyway slug pellets work brilliantly. And before anybody says anything, we dont have hedgehogs round here - the massive population of badgers we've got have seen to that. I dont speak any bird language so I cant put up a sign saying ' please birds, just eat the insects, not my veg'. Sounds as if the way to go is electronic so I' will give it ago and report back.

 

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