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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Womble on March 27, 2018, 10:07:20 am

Title: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Womble on March 27, 2018, 10:07:20 am
This may be a daft question, but I'm sure I'm not alone in this!

When tubing lambs, I'm always relieved when I go back ten minutes later and they're still alive, since I'm always paranoid that I've just filled their lungs with milk  :-[ .

Is it just a case of "if the tube went all the way down, it must be in the stomach", or is there a better way to be sure? 

My lambing course notes say that I should be able to feel the tube going down the throat, but I haven't figured out how yet?  (The practical demonstration during the lambing course was somewhat hampered for me by the fact that my dead lamb was still frozen, so I could only get the tube down a few inches anyway!!).
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: davet on March 27, 2018, 10:12:51 am
You should be able to hear the stomach burbling if you have it in the right place.
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Backinwellies on March 27, 2018, 10:44:50 am
Having taught this many times on live and 'frozen' lambs....

1.  Dip end of tube in milk to lubricate a bit
2. Insert end of tube in mouth and move to back of mouth where it will stick a bit .... hesitate for a few secs and lamb will swallow tube (you can feel it become easier to move again)
3. You can feel it go down throat......  finger either side and just pull tube up and down a bit  (if it is in wind pipe you cannot feel it as wind pipe is held open by rings of cartilage)
4. Tube should as you say Womble should go almost all the way in (unless you have tiny lamb).  It must be in the stomach cos the lungs are only half way to stomach.
5 You can hear stomach burbling though tube.
6. lamb should be relatively comfortable with tube in and probably suckle it a bit. ....

I hope that helps a bit .... once mastered it is a complete lifesaver both for the lamb and for sleep deprived lambers who really need to go back to bed knowing the lamb has had enough colostrum to keep it going till morning!!   (I have very little patience for lack lustre sucking on a teat)
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Womble on March 27, 2018, 11:16:58 am
Thank you both so much!  :thumbsup:

Backinwellies - I'd got all of that except for pinching behind the windpipe as you put the tube in, and the fact that you wouldn't be able to feel it if it was in the windpipe. It's true, you really can feel it going down.

I also found out why I couldn't get anything to flow earlier - the tube had become blocked with a lump of powder  :dunce: .

Fantasy says thank you!  :love:
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Womble on March 27, 2018, 11:19:02 am
Oh, and assuming I can't find her a mummy soon (looking increasingly unlikely, since the others show no sign of lambing, and she bleats in response to my voice anyway  :-[ ), how soon should I move her onto standard lamlac, rather than powdered colostrum?
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Fleecewife on March 27, 2018, 11:41:54 am
My goodness Womble, those shelves are well organised  :o


Thank you for raising this question and thank you backinwellies for a brilliant description  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Fleecewife on March 27, 2018, 11:46:14 am



I've just had a thought  :idea: .  Could we pin Backinwellies' reply please so everyone can benefit?


I don't know who moderates each section, but it might be worth having that info available too?
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Marches Farmer on March 27, 2018, 12:09:01 pm
I find it can help if you "measure" how far down the tube needs to go and put your fingers at the spot on the tube as you slide it down to where the lamb's nose will be.
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Womble on March 27, 2018, 12:56:30 pm
That's a good idea, MF. I've taken it one step further, and have marked the tube at roughly the right point :thumbsup: .
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: twizzel on March 27, 2018, 01:16:40 pm
Oh, and assuming I can't find her a mummy soon (looking increasingly unlikely, since the others show no sign of lambing, and she bleats in response to my voice anyway  :-[ ), how soon should I move her onto standard lamlac, rather than powdered colostrum?
24 hours on colostrum then onto milk powder
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Foobar on March 27, 2018, 03:45:27 pm
These are useful:


http://www.lamlac.co.uk/resources (http://www.lamlac.co.uk/resources)
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 27, 2018, 03:52:33 pm
You should be able to hear the stomach burbling if you have it in the right place.

And even more importantly, not hear breath sounds
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Womble on March 30, 2018, 03:32:07 am
^ guys, whilst each of these are true, I'll be honest, the sound is really hard to tell the difference enough to trust it, especially when you've only heard one of them!

Anyway, it's 3.30am, so I'm just on to write and say thank you once again to @Backinwellies : Because of you, I am now going back to bed, rather than spending the next hour in the barn muttering "Just f&*^%ing suck, will you!?!".

I had previously thought of tubing as a semi-emergency measure, perhaps one down the list from IP glucose injections. However, I now realise that it's a really important routine skill for us all to have. Definitely practice it this year even if you don't need to  :thumbsup: .
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: Backinwellies on March 30, 2018, 07:36:23 am
Glad to help Womble  :sunshine:
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 30, 2018, 11:12:28 am
Having taught this many times on live and 'frozen' lambs....

1.  Dip end of tube in milk to lubricate a bit
2. Insert end of tube in mouth and move to back of mouth where it will stick a bit .... hesitate for a few secs and lamb will swallow tube (you can feel it become easier to move again)
3. You can feel it go down throat......  finger either side and just pull tube up and down a bit  (if it is in wind pipe you cannot feel it as wind pipe is held open by rings of cartilage)
4. Tube should as you say Womble should go almost all the way in (unless you have tiny lamb).  It must be in the stomach cos the lungs are only half way to stomach.
5 You can hear stomach burbling though tube.
6. lamb should be relatively comfortable with tube in and probably suckle it a bit. ....

I hope that helps a bit .... once mastered it is a complete lifesaver both for the lamb and for sleep deprived lambers who really need to go back to bed knowing the lamb has had enough colostrum to keep it going till morning!!   (I have very little patience for lack lustre sucking on a teat)

:bookmark: Tubing a lamb
Title: Re: Getting the feeding tube down the right tube!
Post by: SallyintNorth on March 30, 2018, 11:15:13 am



I've just had a thought  :idea: .  Could we pin Backinwellies' reply please so everyone can benefit?


I don't know who moderates each section, but it might be worth having that info available too?

I've done my 'bookmark' thing - the theory is that you can search for ":bookmark: tubing lamb" and it'll find it. 

We have asked for a bookmark facility, but for now this is the best we've come up with.