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macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« on: June 29, 2021, 09:39:39 pm »
The most beautiful views i have seen for some time - except for the ugly chimneys on the other side obviously.

12.3 acres (4.99 hectares) smallholding. Just outside Port Talbot. 8 miles from Swansea.

345k


https://www.hrt.uk.com/property/11023814/tyla-farm-brombil-port-talbot#

It's so nice, isn't it? I just saw it on the Internet and wanted sto share - I have no business in selling it or anything 🙃

I m thinking of going to Wales for a viewing though 🤔
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Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2021, 11:23:15 pm »
Clever pictures... they've managed to erase the massive wind farm that stands over this place...
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macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2021, 06:51:24 am »
Clever pictures... they've managed to erase the massive wind farm that stands over this place...
Marketing  :roflanim:
Growing loads of fruits and vegetables! Raising dairy goats, chickens, ducks, rabbits on 1/2 acre in the middle of the city of Leicester, using permaculture methods.

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2021, 07:58:59 am »
Marketing  :roflanim:

It isn't though, is it? or at least it's not good marketing.

There's a house not far from us which was for sale for ages, and has a similar blindingly obvious 'issue' next door which was cut out of the estate agent's photos. The neighbour adjacent to it said loads of people came to view before turning straight round and driving away again.

If the wind turbines are that obvious when visiting the property, nobody who hates them is going to buy it, so why not show them in the photos?

R.Soles.
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2021, 10:54:30 am »
It's interesting that they do show the chimneys from the Steel works which have variously coloured flares depending what they're flaring off - there's an odd lilac blue as well as they orange/yellow.  I think the former is the slag flare.  It's a lot less "industrialised" looking out that way now than when BP Baglan Bay (the Chemicals Plant) was there too.  And the slag heaps look much prettier now they've greened up and the trees are maturing too.

Aside from the flicker, flash and noise pollution from the turbines, you've also got the transmission turbulence and it's effect on the soil as well as the impacts on livestock and wildlife... so all of a sudden the idyll looks a lot less attractive.

Many of us had no idea what we were getting into when these things started sprouting up around us, and those of us with the health impacts, regular power cuts and pulsating houses who are surviving to tell the tale are looking forward to a decade's time when the world will wake up and realise that this was just a wealth transfer scheme from the poorest in society to the richest, that land geology has been semi-permanently damaged by the folly and the ecological devastation that they've brought about may not be reversible.  If we can outlive the turbines, maybe our houses will be worth what they were when we bought them before the turbines were constructed!

In terms of clever marketing, the Scottish Government insists that there is no adverse impact on tourism from turbines (despite removing them from all Visit Scotland information).  However, that's not impression those involved in the tourist industry get from their visitors who say "it's nothing like the brochures, we had no idea it was so industrialised with these noisy turbines".  The government's are pushing agendas based on a complete lack of understanding of the science and the inability to grasp the difference between "renewable" and "sustainable" energy. 

When turbine owners are making statements like "it's a licence to print money" and "if they're turning they're earning" (even when they're turning backwards/sucking power out of the grid on windless days with the turbine owners paying nothing for the power they're sucking out of the grid because it's not metered) you have to wonder how deep the corruption runs that this is being substantially funded by those in fuel poverty, on electricity card meters that cost more than normal.

Anyway I'm getting off subject now so I'll shut up.

I'm sure it'll be a lovely property for someone who knows the area and is desperate for the land and willing to take on a derelict property and turn it into a home.
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landroverroy

  • Joined Oct 2010
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2021, 10:54:41 am »
But marketing is about getting people to visit the place initially. So those that turned round at the sight of the windfarm were never going to buy it anyway. But there will be a small percentage who would never have booked a viewing if they had seen the windfarm on the original brochure, but once they had actually seen the property would decide that they could live with the windfarm because they loved everything else, and maybe couldn't get anything else for the price.


If you've got something to sell you don't do your best to put people off at the first mention. You have to let them see the whole picture of the good and the bad and decide for themselves. 
Rules are made:
  for the guidance of wise men
  and the obedience of fools.

Anke

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • St Boswells, Scottish Borders
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2021, 12:08:52 pm »
OMG - it can't be worth 345k.... did you see the damp on the bathroom walls, no outbuildings and I for one think the view is appaling....


Once the steelworks shut Port Talbot is going to be even more of a dump than it already is (and was when I visited a few times in the 90s....)


With the fumes coming over I would be very worried about my veggies...

Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2021, 12:31:36 pm »
OMG - it can't be worth 345k.... did you see the damp on the bathroom walls, no outbuildings and I for one think the view is appaling....


Once the steelworks shut Port Talbot is going to be even more of a dump than it already is (and was when I visited a few times in the 90s....)


With the fumes coming over I would be very worried about my veggies...

It does say "in need of renovation" and in fairness it's easy commuting distance for both Cardiff and Swansea.  Birmingham and London are also only a couple of hours away so the price is reflective of the location rather than the property. 

Port Talbot's not as bad now as it was back in the days of the heavy industry... they've even got a "posh" railway station "Port Talbot Parkway" which always makes me laugh...  and you can walk on the beach at Aberavon now without ending up covered in oil.  The beach front is actually quite nice there and there's a decent Indian there.

I wouldn't say it's at the top of my want to live places, but I've seen worse too.

It doesn't smell as bad now as when BP Chemicals were there... I think the regulations on emissions are much tighter.  I'd be more worried about the historic land contamination than the current air pollution.  But then there's a poem I learned as a child about nearby Landore

And it came to pass in days of yore, the Devil chanced upon Landore,
Quoth he "By all this fume and stink, I cannot be far from home I think".

If you look at Landore now the regeneration of nature is incredible.  You'd never recognise it as the place that was effectively a moonscape a couple of generations ago.
Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical and expecting more than others think is possible.

macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2021, 01:28:32 pm »
OMG - it can't be worth 345k.... did you see the damp on the bathroom walls, no outbuildings and I for one think the view is appaling....


Once the steelworks shut Port Talbot is going to be even more of a dump than it already is (and was when I visited a few times in the 90s....)


With the fumes coming over I would be very worried about my veggies...
This is only 8 miles from Swansea City center.
If it was in the Midlands (Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Northamptonshire etc) it would cost at least twice as much.
I have houses in similiar condition with less land for around 700. House for demolition, with 6 acres cost 660k  :innocent:
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Scarlet.Dragon

  • Joined May 2015
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2021, 02:16:24 pm »
I'm surprised they've advertised it "from Swansea" rather than "Cardiff".  The drive from there to Swansea is horrible in rush hour, whereas Cardiff isn't a bad run. 

It'll be a good buy for a local looking for land or else someone who can afford to sit on it for 30 years in which time it'll likely double in value. 

A lot of money has gone into the regeneration of Port Talbot over the past decade or so... at some point they'll need to do the same with Neath which has gone from being a really nice little market town to an absolute dump.  Swansea is up and coming and Cardiff already thriving.  From a tourism perspective, you've got the Gower Peninsula, Dan Yr Ogof, the Brecon Beacons, Castell Coch, Barry Island, Porthcawl and the National Museum of Wales all within spitting distance as well as Cefn Coed Museum and the new developments (and zip wire) up at Tower Colliery.

For someone with the right incentive budget and mindset, it's not a bad option.
Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical and expecting more than others think is possible.

macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: 12 acres smallholding with house. Port Talbot, South Wales
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2021, 02:48:53 pm »
This one is is a beautiful place:
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/110190161#/

22 acres. 6 bedroom House for renovation.
500k. Snowdonia National Park, Gwynedd.

Compare to this one:
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80996583#/
18 acres. 7 bedroom house for renovation.
Guide price 950k!!!
Leicestershire

Similiar size, similiar state - in fact the one in Leicestershire is with less land and worse condition - bit it costs TWICE as much! Ridiculous!

Wouldn't mind moving to Snowdonia though  :innocent:
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