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skeeterm5

  • Joined Nov 2021
Natural pond
« on: January 20, 2022, 07:14:01 pm »
Hi all,

One of our fields is on a gentle slope and the water runs down and collects at the bottom along the fence line. It then slowly drains away along the fence direction.

I would like to take advantage of this natural water course and make a small natural pond and generally to rewild the whole field.

My thinking was to build up a mound of dirt to try and contain the water and also to dig down a little to make  deeper depression. I don't want to use a liner if possible.

Has anybody done this or have any tips?

Thanks

Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2022, 08:30:39 pm »
I'm thinking frogs may lay their eggs in there and then the water seeps away.
I would line it. (Unless you have clay in the area, I think it's called puddling?)

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 12:17:53 am »
As Penninehillbilly says, you would need to line or puddle it.  Even where I live in Scotland we had a serious drought last year, and your pond would have dried up totally. We have two ponds, both lined, but the water evaporated fast and the fish in one weren't happy. Find out how to puddle the pond, online, in a book, so you get it right first time.  You could have a 'puddling party', rather like treading the grape harvest  ;D
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skeeterm5

  • Joined Nov 2021
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 01:09:34 pm »
Thanks both. A liner it is then.

@Fleecewife we are also in Scotland, in Aberdeenshire close to the Cairngorms.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2022, 01:16:42 pm »
Thanks both. A liner it is then.

@Fleecewife we are also in Scotland, in Aberdeenshire close to the Cairngorms.

So you will be in the rain shadow of the Grampians and even more prone to drought than we are.
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doganjo

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  • Clackmannanshire
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Re: Natural pond
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2022, 10:06:14 am »
Um, maybe not, FW  :innocent: - it does actually rain a lot in the shadow of the mighty Cairngorms. :gloomy: Been there, done it, got the T shirt;  :roflanim:  happy now down in the middle of our lovely country - very little snow  :fc: :eyelashes:
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Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
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Re: Natural pond
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2022, 05:20:54 pm »
Um, maybe not, FW  :innocent: - it does actually rain a lot in the shadow of the mighty Cairngorms. :gloomy: Been there, done it, got the T shirt;  :roflanim:  happy now down in the middle of our lovely country - very little snow  :fc: :eyelashes:

 :roflanim:  Not much use for a Tshirt then  ;D

So my Geography teachers lied with all that about Orographic Uplift, Rain Shadows and so on -  :idea: :gloomy:
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Anke

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • St Boswells, Scottish Borders
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2022, 05:33:15 pm »
Thanks both. A liner it is then.

@Fleecewife we are also in Scotland, in Aberdeenshire close to the Cairngorms.


Check out "Tap of Noth" on youtube. They have done ponds/rewilding and using trees on their smallholding. And they are up North in Aberdeenshire.


Also depending on the size of your pond and what category your field is (I presume it is agricultural) then you may (or may not) need some kind of nod from your local planning officer. Also depends on how close you are to roads, other properties etc.

Steph Hen

  • Joined Jul 2013
  • Angus Scotland.
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2022, 08:41:58 am »
Sunny Angus gets the rain shadow FW.

I’d want to avoid plastic too. Find clay instead. I know someone who’s built several ponds for his permaculture garden in st Cyrus using clay on his site to line them.
Ive also been learning about the benefit of aerating standing water using a small solar pump to return water upstream and allowing to to flow back down again. Or having it as a little fountain.

You could Do one bit extra deep as an emergency water reserve.

edstrong

  • Joined Jun 2015
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2022, 07:05:42 pm »
We've done it here at Tipton's Croft but are very lucky as there is a deep layer of clay under the topsoil, so no liner needed. You'll need a decent 360 digger (and a dumper) even for the smallest hole and you'll be surprised by how much spoil comes out of even a small hole: it will need to go somewhere so plan for that. We used ours to improve other parts of the field and built up some large earth banks that we left to rewild.

Go for it: this country has lost so many ponds over the years.


Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
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Re: Natural pond
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2022, 10:20:51 pm »
Do you have any pics @edstrong of it full and functioning, or have you only just done it?  It looks pretty amazing  :thumbsup:
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edstrong

  • Joined Jun 2015
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2022, 08:19:18 am »
Do you have any pics @edstrong of it full and functioning, or have you only just done it?  It looks pretty amazing  :thumbsup:

Lots of pics! The Pond at Tipton's Croft

It filled very quickly when we first dug it, partly due to the digger exposing loads of old land drains that then opened up with the first winter rains. Within six months it was almost full. We've had a little extension this autumn so the level has dropped again but should fill up when the rains start again.

We're also very lucky the only water that feeds into the pond is from our field so we know exactly what goes into it e.g. no fertiliser/nitrates.

« Last Edit: January 26, 2022, 08:23:04 am by edstrong »

Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2022, 10:41:38 am »
Edstrong, your pages are fantastic, but please put a warning up, do not look when you have other jobs to do, far too interesting. ;D
Good job, looks wonderful.

skeeterm5

  • Joined Nov 2021
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2022, 01:09:40 pm »
Thanks everybody for the thoughts.

The soil doesn’t have clay, so on balance I think I am going for a liner.

We do have a water supply close from our borehole so could keep it wet in the event of a summer drought.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Natural pond
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2022, 01:53:02 pm »
Edstrong, your pages are fantastic, but please put a warning up, do not look when you have other jobs to do, far too interesting. ;D
Good job, looks wonderful.


Me too, brilliant site.  It's the first thing I've seen that makes me envious of living in England  :o  @edstrong I think you would have plenty to add to my 'Gardening for Bumble Bees' topic in 'Wildlife'. You clearly have a plethora of insects and natural beauty around you and you know what you are doing.  My paltry efforts in an icy part of Scotland pale into insignificance against your Heaven. I live in a wildlife desert so although we have had ponds here since we arrived 26 years ago, we have never attracted a single newt, the toads died out in a very severe winter and have not returned, and I was superexcited when dragon flies arrived last year  :yippee: .  The point I take from the lack of wildlife here is that every little bit we can do has to be a positive  :thumbsup:
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

 

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