[CarolineJ]

My ancient ewe is booked in for a one-way trailer ride to the vet on Wednesday.  As it's not an emergency situation but pre-planned, am I correct in thinking that she needs a movement form?  We're in Scotland.

[landroverroy]

Is anybody likely to question whether it was an emergency or not, or even  that she didn't die at home? The vets certainly aren't paid to act as informants.

[twizzel]

As I understand it you don't need movement forms for vet trips but you will need a disposal note from whoever takes the carcass.

[harmony]

I would check with the licencing people. You will have one less to account for.

[Anke]

Trips to the vet will NOT need a movement form. If the vet disposes of her s/he will need to give you a form saying they are doing so, if not the knacker man will give you one.

[CarolineJ]

Thank you - the vets have an incinerator, but it's on a different site at their lab a couple of miles away and due to health and safety regulations, the people who come down to the surgery to collect anything that needs incinerating daily aren't allowed to lift bodies over a certain weight.  However, if I go to the surgery, the vet puts her to sleep in the trailer and then rings the lab to say I'm on my way up there, they'll take her off the trailer. 

[twizzel]

Should just need a disposal note from the vets then to satisfy any numbers issues. Then record in the movement book a death and note the receipt number of the disposal note by it.

[Marches Farmer]

We prefer to use a knackerman in these situations.  One shot and it's over, whereas the transportation and faff with a lethal injection is far more protracted.  The knackerman will also deal with disposal.  Ours are brilliant - their view is that it's been my job to give the animal a good life and it's theirs to give it a swift and painless death.

[CarolineJ]

That would be my preference too, but the nearest knackerman is 175 miles away. 

[harmony]

Trips to the vet will NOT need a movement form. If the vet disposes of her s/he will need to give you a form saying they are doing so, if not the knacker man will give you one.

That was what I believed but on the eaml2 system for pigs there is a "move to a vet" section.

[Anke]

Trips to the vet will NOT need a movement form. If the vet disposes of her s/he will need to give you a form saying they are doing so, if not the knacker man will give you one.

That was what I believed but on the eaml2 system for pigs there is a "move to a vet" section.

You would load a sick (adult?) pig into a trailer to take it to the vets? Sure?

[harmony]

Trips to the vet will NOT need a movement form. If the vet disposes of her s/he will need to give you a form saying they are doing so, if not the knacker man will give you one.

That was what I believed but on the eaml2 system for pigs there is a "move to a vet" section.

You would load a sick (adult?) pig into a trailer to take it to the vets? Sure?

I have no idea what anyone might do. I am just pointing out the facility exists to create a licence to the vets for pigs despite people saying a licence isn't required for vets visits. There are occasions when I can imagine people might take pigs to the vet such as tusk trimming, vaccination. Not all animals who go to the vet are actually sick.

[landroverroy]

I took a piglet to the vet once. Your not going to call them out are you when you can just put the piglet in the back of the Land Rover?

[harmony]

I took a piglet to the vet once. Your not going to call them out are you when you can just put the piglet in the back of the Land Rover?

Absolutely but I find when they get to fully grown I need a trip to the physio on the way back from the vet, to have my back sorted from lifting them! 

[CarolineJ]

Deed done this morning and all went smoothly - she walked happily into the trailer after her bucket of nuts, bedded herself down on the hay and travelled well.  The vet underestimated the size of injection needed, so I have a lovely final memory of her flat out in the trailer, snoring loudly while I scratched her behind the ears, as he refilled the syringe. 

Vet and incineration people both said no paperwork needed, the incineration people would report her tag number themselves, so I just needed to record it on ScotEID and in my flock book as a death.  Vet and lab staff both lovely to the middle-aged woman attempting to hold it together and not quite managing, though I did manage to hold off from the proper snotty-nosed blubbing until I was back in the truck and had driven away!  Seeing how stiff she was getting up first thing this morning though, I know I've done the right thing, and 13 is a pretty good age for a hill ewe.