Author Topic: Holiday Cabin on 10 Acres of Greenbelt (Read 5528 times)

Vane · « **on:** November 01, 2016, 07:57:43 pm »

Hi All, I am new to this forum so firstly hi to all.

OK so I am after some advice. I am sure that this question has already been asked before so please point me in the right direction if you feel it has been covered to death. I couldn't see this in detail but similar.

I am looking to potentially buy/save 10 acres of green belt land where I grew up which is sandwiched in-between two sets of houses on a main road in a residential area. The land backs onto a shoreline and it is registered as a flood zone, what acreage this covers I am not sure although I have never seen the plot flooded in twenty years.

I want to try to put a static/log cabin on this for my own family use, summer holiday/weekend get away etc. I live about 10 miles away and may also if possible look to use the land for charity, disabled horse riding, woods etc if possible.

I know there does not seem to be a clear answer on all of this but;
1. Could I put an entrance from the road onto the land, with gates for security?
2. Could I put a concrete hard stand down if so what size?
3. Could I put a static on the site on the concrete stand?
4. If yes can I leave this on the site regardless of the duration of use restrictions?
5. Once the static is on and settled can I upgrade to the use of a dual static concept, I.E. twice the size?
6. What are the restrictions on a laid road onto the site regardless of the above?
7. Can drainage be connected to the row at some stage in the future bearing in mind it is already running past the plot for the other residents?

Thank you in advance all
Best wishes

Alvin

greenbeast · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2016, 08:45:45 am »

1. no, not without HA approval and planning permission
2. no, not without planning permission on that acreage
3. depends, if you are going to farm the land it could be a tool shed/changing area, respite from weather, otherwise, no
5. the planners will be on your case about the single caravan, let alone 'extending'
6. needs planning permission
7. you could apply to water company for sewerage connection

landroverroy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2016, 12:06:11 pm »

Hi Alvin - I think maybe you're trying to run before you can walk! You really need to spend a lot of time researching on the internet and find out the problems other people have encountered with similar projects.

What Greenbeast has told you is technically correct, but there are shades of grey and ways of getting round many things.

I strongly believe that rules were made for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools.

For example - 1. Entrance - make a discreet entrance from the road, use it for a while, then if no one complains after a while put some gates up . If someone reports you (which is unlikely) then you'll have to apply for planning. But don't you have an entrance onto the road anyway?

Most things can be done subtley over time and I'm asuming you won't be wanting to do it all at once as you've got to save up to even buy the land anyway, and things like hardstanding, roadways, and fencing cost a small fortune in themselves.

Best way to get any sort of building approved is to keep some stock on the land, get a holding number and then get permitted development for a stock building. Then gradually change its use over time.

But if, as I suspect you are hoping to gradually move from static to log cabin to permanent dwelling - then forget it. That is a totally different proposition with a whole lot more of nigh impossible hoops to jump through. This forum and the internet in general are littered with tales of people who have tried it and failed.

Backinwellies · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2016, 12:38:39 pm »

It's green belt for a reason.

bazzais · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2016, 08:51:44 pm »

The answer is yes - potentially.

But it not just a case of throwing money at it and doing it in the first 5 years, this will probably take time.

1. Could I put an entrance from the road onto the land, with gates for security?
No - not if its not there, you will need planning. If it is there and for private use you can build what you want as a gate - but if your opening it to the public you will need the highways agency approval for the 'line of sight' to the road.

2. Could I put a concrete hard stand down if so what size?
Yes you can put down as much concrete as you like provided its not on agricultural land - ie on the drive or previous hardstanding areas.

3. Could I put a static on the site on the concrete stand?
No - not without planning or proving that you are onsite looking after barn renovations or certain stock that may require it at certain times of year.

4. If yes can I leave this on the site regardless of the duration of use restrictions?
5 years is the max for a caravan for security otherwise full planning is needed for the static

5. Once the static is on and settled can I upgrade to the use of a dual static concept, I.E. twice the size?
Yes but planning will be required.

6. What are the restrictions on a laid road onto the site regardless of the above?
As far as I know tracks are fine - but you would have yo get planning or permission for what you are building a track too.

7. Can drainage be connected to the row at some stage in the future bearing in mind it is already running past the plot for the other residents?
Yes - but you will have to pay for the connection - you will need to have inspectors there to sign it off

All course all this is just my opinion and mybe hearsay.

Is your real question:- Can I buy 35 grands worth of land, spend another 100 and build a 400 grand empire?

- sorry tongue in cheek

bazzais · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2016, 08:57:27 pm »

I may have it completely wrong -

it is possible with a long stretch and commitment. But it wont be easy.

Best of luck.

sabrina · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2016, 07:07:33 am »

In my experience its who you know that can get you what you want. We have land next us, we wanted to put in a field entrance off the road in our bottom paddock. At first planning was refused as we were told it was too near the bad corner. So we moved it. That was fine. then the land next to us was sold and 2 horses were put in. 2 wooden stables went up. Their new entrance was much closer to the corner than we had asked for. Now there is a large family house and barn on the land. the corner is dangerous and the roads department stated that in writing which we have a copy off saying why the new house should be refused yet, there it is. I rest my case !

bazzais · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2016, 12:29:23 pm »

Challenge challenge challenge - search the planning logs for previous passed applications, search for other properties that have done the same without planning and use it as a presidency.

Get someone who knows the 'planners'

farmers wife · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2016, 09:01:18 pm »

We have land in greenbelt and someone is always complaining about something we had a calf feeder in the field and the residents thought it was a structure - we had a letter. We had tractors entering temp tipping - more enforcement. Absolutely no chance of planning for building. If you want to employ a specialist planning officer best of luck because before you know it you'll be paying out thousands. Holiday use is not a way of applying for permission as they know its going to be permanent structure. If the caravan was there to look after stock then there is a chance but overall you need to employ a specialist. Locals are bound to complain if you go ahead so watch out for enforcement procedures.