Steve was in our lounge and caommented you would not have known there were so many people in the other room, we are often full and it's still quiet!!!!!! I learnt a lot too, I remember how I used to just buy the cuts of meats I knew the name for but some butchers had window displays with the name so that was OK.....I am the same with weights, that can be a problem for online shopping as in a shop you can see the size of a joint but online I just take a guess and sometimes get too small amounts, such as 2 carrots. Steve was also looking at the economic side of smallholding and I added that not many hobbies do you get so much in return + a reward at the end by way of the produce, getting pursusaded to get some meat birds!!!!! ummmmmmm Loved having you all here, you are all welcome whenever you need somewhere.