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Title: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 21, 2018, 05:43:24 pm
Hello

So I have owned this piece of land now for 5 years or so and have got planning for 5 stables and tack room and change of use. There has been a static on there all the time we had the place and it was falling apart, so I placed wanted add and to my surprise this lovely couple actually gave, yes gave us a mint condition caravan, and all we had to pay was to move it 400 sovs.

So I destroyed the old one and got the newer one delivered and placed in the same place as the older one and thats that, no body lives in it, we use it for a cuppa and the kids and to get out the rain. Now the powers that be have sent me email saying that they have been told that a static has been placed on the land...? If you go on google earth you can see it Mr Counciler, Its not hidden thats how long its been there and owe by the way, when the nice lady from the council who deals with all the planning applications, came up to have a look at the land next door and their application, where he wanted to put his stables. She spoke to me and seen the caravan and the large wooden shed I built and even talked about them, the shed i use to hold my tools which is not on any sort of concrete foundations, just wood. Will I need planning for that aswell...? or is that just temp...?.

The only thing that has concrete foundations is the stable block and that got planning passed Know problem. But now it seems I have problem.

Now we purchased the land at 6 acres and was just to much so split it down middle and sold half to very nice fellow and his family, who take great care of their land also and we have planted trees, built stunning cross stock fencing and it is our place of zen lets say. To be truthful not puts every body else paddocks to shame :thumbsup:

My question is can I site my static on my own land if i do not live in it or am I only aloud to own land that is only aloud to store grass that grows on it, on it....? without planning.

Oh and they are building 350 houses less than 200 meters from my land, straight across the road from a travelers home. This must be really easy to do maybe I should put in planning application for a load of houses....? mmmm

There is also the point that we cannot have access to the a road even though there is 6 entrances around our area, the entrance that was created by the person who sold me the land, but he did it without permission, but it is still there even though we don't use it.

The kicker there is the person who sold him the land created their own entrance to a mansion so they could sell it back in 1995 and never got permission to create their new entrance to the mansion, so one of their children could live in the gate house to the mansion.

Now we asked for an entrance to our land from across the road from that entrance, that was created illegally by the person who sold the land to the person who sold the land to me, I know hard to follow, soon as the application went in, every single person in that family who created their entrance illegally objected and where totally mortified that there is going to be or could be another access point to be created onto the road.

By the way I used that access point many a time and you can even see that on satellite images and there is no problem what so ever with any danger, the problem is total and utter NIMBYISM thats all it is

Thats my dilemma I know, but do I or don't I need planning to store my static on the land I own....?

Any pointers to articles you can send me to of this nature much appreciated

Kind Regards
Craig

Big Thanks
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: arobwk on July 28, 2018, 10:18:41 pm
Hi craigland - just read your post.  That's a lot to take in so I'm going to hold fire on offering any thoughts off the cuff.  Perhaps someone with better grasp of the issues will come along very shortly and be able to, hopefully, offer immediate comment/help. 

But one question comes to mind:  did you mention the existence of the old static caravan at all when you made the planning application for the stables?
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 28, 2018, 10:41:35 pm
Hi I didn't mention it but I took photos of caravan and even when the planning officer came to view next doors application, she seen the caravan and never mentioned it shouldn't be there..?
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 28, 2018, 10:44:42 pm
So I do have photos timed and dated from way back when I put planning in for the stables of the caravan in position and the new one is in the same place more or less and thanks for reply. Ive heard you can have static on for health and safety and its not plumbed up or anything, but I think they will tell me to move it. Which I will fight to keep it there as I have a home address so they know im not living there. Thanks again for reply
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: arobwk on July 28, 2018, 11:17:59 pm
craigland - a couple more questions:
How much acreage do you have? and ...
was the static caravan on the land when you bought the land and, if so, can you get/provide any sort of evidence (even just statements from previous owner/neighbours - that would be friendly neighbours!) to confirm that?
If you placed the caravan there yourself, 5 yrs is not long enough for it to fall outside of planning consideration (I think the time period is now 12 years before you can tell planning officers to go weep.)
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: Perris on July 29, 2018, 06:17:23 am
I don't know about the other issues you have, but to acquire a right of access you have to be able to prove you've used it without problem or permission for 20+ years. Didn't your or the buyer's lawyers raise the access matter when you sold off a parcel of your land?
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: harmony on July 29, 2018, 09:28:09 am
If you only need it as somewhere to make a brew and sit out of the rain could you not just use your tack room or have applied for a sixth stable? Would a small tourer not have done the job? Would have been a lot less hassle.
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: Scotsdumpy on July 29, 2018, 10:49:29 am
Try asking your question on www.gardenlaw.co.uk (http://www.gardenlaw.co.uk)

it might help too if you say what part of the uk

good luck
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 30, 2018, 08:28:54 am
Hello Harmony

I got the static for nothing and there is nothing in English law thats say there is a difference between static and tourer. The only difference is one can be towed, so what would stop them from reporting that caravan. And why should we all have to be colluded up like, we need our body warm for heat. I forgot you can get 26ft caravan that I cannot afford...? I got it for free so that s way im use it, if I had choice of nice big Hobby I probably would of went down that route, but I don't   
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 30, 2018, 08:36:51 am
Oh and Harmony a sixth stable or tack room I have but, its not built yet and all the tack, feed and every thing else off 5 horses would give a large family standing room like carrots in a tin, I understand you don't like static and Im not living in it I have my own address and its been there for so long without complain, anyway Its not getting moved so thats, that.

 Ive heard all of the health and safety routes and many more ways to keep it on my land but the right person hasn't came along yet. They cannot make you move it if its not slept in or prime residence. But I should settle for a tourer and pay for one, but not all us people who have a bit of land have money pay for tourer unless its a piece of well you know....
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 30, 2018, 08:46:18 am
Hello Peris

We have access from the other end of the field, its the fact that the better access would be where there is already 6 access points and the person who owned the land and sold it off made their own access without planning, the new access to the mansion they where selling no problem , so that their daughter could have the gatehouse for her home and all done without planning. But mortified the whole family when we thought I wonder if we could get access from there.

Oh and they are making a new access about another 100 years past our point of access we want to get wagons in for gas powers station not needed, started off as battery storage, got planning and now gas power station...? go figure got money get what you want.

But we have access to the land legal, it would of just been easy to have it there than do the 5 mile round trip and the planning officer told me if they pull there fence back the neighbours, that it wouldn't be needed as it would be a access widening and wouldn't need planning to widen and put road into your land.
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 30, 2018, 08:53:35 am
Hello Arobwk

I couldn't because im the first there except the farmer who is still lord of all they survey, so I cannot get any statements or anything.

I think Im going to change of use back to agricultural and go down that route, field more horse else where and If you seen what this traveler which is nothing thats his culture did to stable block on stunning part of our town.

Sign bright pink looks like should be in Las Vegas stab lock built not one horse ever went in it and straight into dog grooming and over night kennels, stain on and passed for 5 years to live in right on the edge of village. Don't get me wrong looks nice, but was never used as intended and he got everything straight away, well after because it was retrospective. Owe and he lives in a massive static not little tourer where he could get his head down and make a cuppa like I should and what hassle has he had not a bit.

Thanks for your reply
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: landroverroy on July 30, 2018, 10:47:09 am
Craig there's all sorts of ways of getting round caravan and access problems. I personally have twice made accesses into fields without applying for planning. It's such a minor thing that unless you have upset someone who then has a personal grudge and complains, the planners will never know. In little more than a year it looks like its been there for ever.


As far as your caravan was concerned, if the old one had been there for more than 10 years  then you could have applied for lawful development under the 10 year rule. That probably still applies as the lawful development is actually to do with the change of use of land to site a caravan (any caravan) as apposed to a specific caravan (now removed) 


However it is worth doing proper research on the internet; and by that I mean read what planning professionals say. Don't just take as gospel the opinions of people on a forum. Someone's opinion, however well meant carries no weight in law.
The gardenlaw website, mentioned by scotsdumpy is a useful source of information, as is Martin Goodall's planning blog. Find out as much as you can (knowledge is power!), then talk to a proper planning professional. They don't have to cost an arm and a leg. Mine charges £65/hour and can give you relevant advice and put in a proper planning application in 2 hours.



Oh, and the traveller with his flashy pink stable block/dog grooming parlour will have got his planning permission through easily because he chose the right person to do it for him who knew all the ropes. So if you can't beat them - join them. I would be looking on the planning portal to see who this person was, and getting him to sort mine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on July 30, 2018, 07:07:56 pm
Hello LandroverRoy

Love the name  :thumbsup: the traveler did it all him self he had to go to comitiee meeting as there was so many objections about the application. He had his caravan on there hooked up, septic tank in and stable block even aloud to make stable block bigger  because it was not suppose to have over hang. So they aloud him to block it and give him extra meter of space the whole length of the block....?

Also my stable block has to be made out of timer and thats that I can have Blockwork inside but not outside the outside has to be timber. The dog groomers has all rendered block work, open to one of the most expensive roads in the town and in full view of all passing traffic and my the neighbour, who I know told on me about the caravan, also used to own that land and tried to get a pub planning app on that spot and got a knock back....?

I know he had support for doggy parlour, how I don't know as it wasn't open if you seen it you would be amazed. Don't get me wrong it looks nice and clean, but so does mine and my place is totally out of sight from roads and road view.

I have had bad past which is nothing to do with it and this is all I have that keeps me busy and on the straight and narrow, so to speak Ive spent thousands on trees, fencing, ponds, the crass is in tip top condition, all time and you don't here a peep from me.

If I can help a neibour I will gladly help. I even raked a full acre field and got rid of the hay hand balling it, so that they could have a lawn. I know I shouldn't get know special treatment, but if you new my story, well I think people would feel different.

I wouldn't care the chairman of the planning committee who got me my home I live in now, was telling me to just claim land by adverse position, but sadly he has left the council or maybe I would not have these problems. He was best councillor I have ever heard off or known he lived on council estate invited you in for supper and did every thing to help, like I say he got me my home. The others in the council said when he says jump, we say how high..?

This is neither here or there but I will take your advice and keep looking for the right information. I want to turn it back into agriculture and its only 3 acres but Ive read stories of small farming that turn over £100,000 per year growing the right crops. So I am going down that route. I don't know if they will enforce anything but I have no doubt they will, but I will fight them as much as I can or Im afraid it might be back to my old life for me.

13 years of being alone and all I want is to be left alone and if you got money you can have that, if you don't you cant...? I don't understand I just understand that people pick up phones and tell on people for what....? what do they get out of it...? is there money given for informing on people and I understand if I was being a nuisance and disrupting the place, being loud or living on there but Im not. I have small struggling business that struggles to pay the council tax and rent for house Im in now. The busy bodies even have the cheek to wave at me.

Its just sole destroying really it is...!
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: arobwk on July 31, 2018, 08:29:28 pm
Heh craiglang,  don't get too down-beat!(Was trying to add some other thoughts, but formatting of replies seems to be playing up on the forum making everything hard to read/follow so I've deleted those thoughts and have inserted this message instead.  I shall have to send message to forum administrator to see how to fix the problem)
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on August 07, 2018, 05:13:17 pm
You may find this useful
i purchased some horse stables to use for agricutral use and had a 2 year battle with council and they served a enforcement notice
The previous opwner who used it as stables submitted a statement here is what the gov planning inspector said

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The appeal on ground (c)  5. The land to which the enforcement notice relates, as identified on the plan attached to the notice, includes a number of small fields or paddocks to the south of xxx Lane.  A stable block is situated at the northern end of the land, adjacent to xxx Lane.  From the evidence presented the stable building was completed in 2003 following the grant of planning permission in 2000.  The stables and the land referred to within the enforcement notice were used for the purposes of keeping ponies from 2003 up until 2013 when the appellant acquired the site. 6. Consequently, between 2003 and 2013 the evidence suggests that the site i.e. the paddocks, the stable block and other small shelters were a single planning unit being used for equine related purposes.  A written statement from Mrs Hxxxx, the daughter of the previous owner, describes how the site was used during that period.   7. The written ‘statement of truth’ identifies that one section of the stable was fitted out and used by family members for seating, eating, cooking and occasionally sleeping in association with the equine related use.  A sofa was provided for seating, table and chairs for eating, running water and electricity were provided, a few kitchen units were installed and a wardrobe was provided for storing changes of riding clothes.  A microwave oven, kettle and toaster were provided for making food and drinks.  An electric fire was used for heating. 8. From the information provided, the room was used predominantly at times when family members were on site riding or looking after the ponies.  For example, the parents of Mrs Hxxxx looked after her young children in the room whilst she was riding or attending to other matters on site.  The family would eat together whilst they were on site.  Mrs Hxxxx states that she would stay overnight ‘on occasions’ if a horse was ill in order to provide medication.  The statement does not specify how often this was but the term ‘on occasions’ suggests relatively infrequent use and that any overnight stays were dictated by a need to care for sick animals. 9. Although the statement is not a statutory declaration no contrary evidence has been presented that would lead me to doubt that version of events.  On the balance of the evidence presented it seems to me that the use of the room was ancillary to the primary use of the stables and adjacent land for the keeping of ponies.  To my mind, the use of a separate room away from animals to provide relatively warm shelter, an area to change clothes, or to eat meals is not unexpected or unreasonable if occupants were on site for any length of time. 
Appeal Decision APP/xxxxx

 
www.planningportal.gov.uk/planninginspectorate (http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/planninginspectorate)           3
There was a clear functional relationship between the uses described and the main equine related use.   10. Consequently, the evidence before me suggests that the stables and associated land were used for the equine related purposes between 2003 and 2013.  The use of the accommodation within the end room of the stables was ancillary to the primary use of the planning unit which was a single use covering the stables and associated land.       11. The land to which the enforcement notice relates includes the area upon which [/quote]

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28. For the reasons given above I conclude that the appeal should succeed on ground(c).  Accordingly the enforcement notice will be quashed.
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: arobwk on August 11, 2018, 04:17:05 pm
[member=179301]craiglang[/member] . Further comment a bit delayed, but these are my additional thoughts on the “welfare” caravan.  (I won’t address the access issue as I know very little about such matters.)
 
To recap (as I understand it):  you put a “static” on the land when you bought the land and nobody complained until you replaced it some 5 years later with a gifted caravan which you positioned in the same spot.  Someone then reported the replacement caravan to the Council. (I will assume, therefore, that the caravan can be seen from surrounding properties.)
 
Firstly to say that anything which might be considered to be a “structure” and remains in one place for a long period of time will normally need planning permission even if it is not fixed to a permanent foundation.  (That would include your shed as well as the caravan!) There would seem to be a planning rule that moveable “structures” are only outside of planning approval consideration if they are routinely moved to a different location every month or so;  for example, a chicken coop or horse shelter on sledges.
 
Secondly; despite someone reporting your new (replacement) caravan to the Council, I would guess that a planning application for the “welfare” caravan might just gain approval given that nobody complained about the “static” you had there before.
 
Thirdly: good advice has been offered previously about contacting an independent planning advisor before talking to a Council Planning Officer, but you have already been contacted by the planning department and, therefore, why not contact your Council planning department first for a discussion?  (That said, it’s a devil of a job making contact with a planning officer in my local council without submitting a form first !! - it might be different where you are.)  If you can talk to a planning officer, record what they say about the issue relating to your “welfare” caravan and the possibility of obtaining planning approval.  If the planning officer’s assessment is negative, go talk to an independent planning advisor (locally) with your notes of the discussion with the planning officer and then see what the advisor says.

(Don't forget the shed that you mentioned:  if you do submit a planning app' for the caravan, best to include the shed.  Otherwise, dismantle the shed (temporarily) before planning department arranges inspection of the site.) 

If the above sounds like I’m trying to teach granny how to suck eggs, I apologise.
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on August 11, 2018, 05:22:23 pm
You do not need planning permission for a welfare shelter including a caravan
The council planning department may well tell you a load of tosh they certainly did me.
Best place for factual information is planning portal ]https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/CaseSearch.aspx] (https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/CaseSearch.aspx)
Search through enforcement notice appeals, i read through thousands while my appeal was going through
councils have been blown out of the water many times
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: arobwk on August 11, 2018, 06:08:03 pm
[member=99582]mart6[/member] - Your thread-reply #16 provided a most useful example of an over-turned/quashed enforcement notice (I liked), but might I ask whether you could offer a specific example of a stationary "welfare" caravan that did not need full planning approval on land of less than 5 hectares (ref' your #18 reply).  I'd be more than happy to be corrected wrt welfare shelters, but I'm not entirely sure that you are right on this point.  I'm hoping you are right, but I don't know of a relevant loop-hole in planning reg's:  any further advice you might be able to offer would be much appreciated.
Regards,  arob
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on August 11, 2018, 06:53:21 pm
Thanks Mart for the advice and the portion you placed for me to read about the appeal, this in itself has made me feel a little better. I just don't understand why people complain I have been there longer than all those who moved in after me, or maybe its because I won't sell them my land. My land is all I have and its like my own piece of England it maybe small but its mine. The caravan that I removed well took apart was a wreck and now that I have a descent place for me and my daughter who is only 8 and my 2 labradors to get out the rain and have a cuppa. I am now in breach of the law../

And how can a shed that houses tools to work the land be in breach and need planning if there is no foundations...? How or am i suppose to leave the tools out to be stolen or rust away and have to buy new ones.

If I have to take any thing down and I don't have the money to fight for things I will split the land into 5 pieces and sell them off 1 by 1 to the worst travelers or people I can find and they will wish I was back. The person who loved his land took care of it and enjoyed it with his daughter and his soon to be grandson.

I just hate busy bodies and its not an eye saw its better looking than any of the next door neighbours who cannot even be bothered to cut grass or pick up rubbish, because they never dropped it. Well ill pick it up and put it in a bin.

It just depresses you so much that you can have dreams and theres people out there that will jump all over them just to see you have nothing its a cruel place. As I said if I have to take it all down and remove anything its getting sold to 5 of worst people I can find and you can call me horrible, but who is chasing who off

Thanks for support Im glad i found this site
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on August 11, 2018, 09:16:17 pm
[member=179301]craiglang[/member]

Take a read of this it may give you a idea of how council planning departments work its my case and a long story
but its the full tale over 2 years a few pages got lost when site crashed, but worth a read eye opener into some of the tosh you may be told

https://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19952 (https://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19952)

if you need any help pm me i will give you my unqualified opinion but as i said i read thousands of enforcement appeals will try and see if i still have them saved, concerning caravan being used for welfare shelters

i doubt a gov planning inspector would agee with the council, where abouts are you which council ?
if you go on that link on the planning portal you can search and see how succesful your council are with such cases ,look under enforcement appeals

Shed could be got around easy stick it on some wheels save applying for permission
There is always someone waiting to cause trouble but do not worry about caravan.
Show planning officer case below (PDF) and tell him to jog on , and you have more examples and will appeal any action
http://rotherham.planportal.co.uk/view.aspx?id=RB2014/0411&filename=5666563-4-16-1_01_4.PDF (http://rotherham.planportal.co.uk/view.aspx?id=RB2014/0411&filename=5666563-4-16-1_01_4.PDF)

As for the access  problem have not delt with that issue myself but if you use google earth and have photo evidence of  access being there for 10 years or so i think it becomes exempt from enforcement action.
Does not mean council wont try and bully you but dont be pushed around.
Also the main issue at appeal would be exactly what was happening at the time a enforcement notice was served.
Dont waste money on planning permission they pulled that stunt on me if you have evidence  of 10 years use
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on August 11, 2018, 09:27:50 pm
[member=99582]mart6[/member] - Your thread-reply #16 provided a most useful example of an over-turned/quashed enforcement notice (I liked), but might I ask whether you could offer a specific example of a stationary "welfare" caravan that did not need full planning approval on land of less than 5 hectares (ref' your #18 reply).  I'd be more than happy to be corrected wrt welfare shelters, but I'm not entirely sure that you are right on this point.  I'm hoping you are right, but I don't know of a relevant loop-hole in planning reg's:  any further advice you might be able to offer would be much appreciated.
Regards,  arob
hi i had several examples saved and downloaded on pc, but its a few years ago since my appeal
and i did fresh install on my laptop and forgot to save them.
they may be backed up on my other pc will take a look.

like i said i read thousands of enforcement appeals, think i read everyone on planning portal they are definatly there. the snippets i put on above are from my appeal but would still be relevent to a caravan.from what i read on appeals.
you are not changing use it is classed as ancillary to existing use, mine was agricultral but planning inspector commented on previos owners use and said it was ancilary to equine use and did not breach planning rules

will have a poke about because they need putting online to help people

PS

found this was a planning application up road from me local parish complained about caravan and its @ 1 acre site
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01 The storage container hereby consented shall be valid for a period of one year only and at the end of that period (unless further permission be granted by the Local Planning Authority prior to the end of that period), the storage container shall be wholly removed and the site restored in a manner to be agreed with the Local Planning Authority. Reason In order to assess the effect of the development on the area and in accordance with UDP Policies ENV1 ‘Green Belt,’ ENV1.2 ‘Development in Areas of High Landscape Value,’ and ENV3.1 ‘Development and the Environment’. 02 The permission hereby granted shall relate to the area shown outlined in red on the approved site plan and the development shall only take place in accordance with the submitted details and specifications as shown on the approved plans (as set out below) (Location Plan)(received 25/03/2014) (Site location plan)(received 25/03/2014) Reason To define the permission and for the avoidance of doubt. 03 Within 3 months of the date of this permission, the sight lines as indicated on the submitted plan shall be rendered effective by removing or reducing the height of anything existing on the land between the sight line and the highway which obstructs visibility at any height greater than 900mm above the level of the nearside channel of the adjacent carriageway and the visibility thus provided shall be maintained. Reason To provide and maintain adequate visibility in the interests of road safety. 04 Within 3 months of the date of this permission, details of a turning facility on site shall be submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority and the development shall thereafter be implemented and retained in accordance with the approved details. Reason To enable a vehicle to enter and leave the highway in a forward gear in the interests of road safety. 05 Within 3 months of the date of this planning permission, that part of the site to be used by vehicles shall be constructed with either; a/ a permeable surface and associated water retention/collection drainage, or; b/ an impermeable surface with water collected and taken to a separately constructed water retention/discharge system within the site. The area shall thereafter be maintained in a working condition. Reason To ensure that surface water can adequately be drained and to encourage drivers to make use of the parking spaces and to ensure that the use of the land for this purpose will not give rise to the deposit of mud and other extraneous material on the public highway in the interests of the adequate drainage of the site and road safety. Informative(s) 01 The Council has determined this application on the basis that the static caravan located on the site is used for respite accommodation for the agricultural worker on site so does not constitute development and has been removed from the description. As such, planning permission would be required should the caravan be used as residential accommodation. POSITIVE AND PROACTIVE STATEMENT The applicant and the Local Planning Authority engaged in pre application discussions to consider the development before the submission of the planning application. The application was submitted on the basis of these discussions, or was amended to accord with them. It was considered to be in accordance with the principles of the National Planning Policy Framework.
the caravan is a static 

Read the full PDF you have everything you need , case law
http://rotherham.planportal.co.uk/view.aspx?id=RB2014/0411&filename=5666563-4-16-1_01_4.PDF (http://rotherham.planportal.co.uk/view.aspx?id=RB2014/0411&filename=5666563-4-16-1_01_4.PDF)


http://planning.rotherham.gov.uk/decision.asp?AltRef=RB2014/0411&Scroll=4&Nothing=3&Nothing=2&ApplicationNumber=&AddressPrefix=&Postcode=&CaseOfficer=&ParishName=Letwell&AreaTeam=&WardMember=&Consultant=&DateReceivedStart=&DateReceivedEnd=&DateDecidedStart=&DateDecidedEnd=&Locality=&AgentName=&ApplicantName=&ShowDecided=&DecisionDescription=&DecisionLevel=&Sort1=FullAddressPrefix&Sort2=DateReceived+DESC&Submit=Search (http://planning.rotherham.gov.uk/decision.asp?AltRef=RB2014/0411&Scroll=4&Nothing=3&Nothing=2&ApplicationNumber=&AddressPrefix=&Postcode=&CaseOfficer=&ParishName=Letwell&AreaTeam=&WardMember=&Consultant=&DateReceivedStart=&DateReceivedEnd=&DateDecidedStart=&DateDecidedEnd=&Locality=&AgentName=&ApplicantName=&ShowDecided=&DecisionDescription=&DecisionLevel=&Sort1=FullAddressPrefix&Sort2=DateReceived+DESC&Submit=Search)
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: arobwk on August 22, 2018, 07:02:32 pm
 [member=99582]mart6[/member] – (I’ve been a bit busy, but have now come back to this thread).  Useful background info’ from you once again, BUT I’m still not entirely convinced a workers’ respite caravan falls outside of “development” rules under present planning rules/practice - whether ancillary to an existing use or not.
As far as I can tell, various legal judgements have eroding the difference between mobile structures and permanent structures in planning terms:  in other words, it might be moveable, but it’s a “development” if it isn’t actually moved routinely.
As a “development” it requires, either, a notification to Local Authority Planning under permitted development rules (quite restricted on holdings of less than 5ha) or the submission of a planning application.
OK, maybe I’m still missing/overlooking some important factor or other here but, right now, my understanding is that a theoretically mobile structure of any kind that, in practice, remains stationary counts as “development” and, unfortunately, can/will be challenged by the LA planning if it is reported to them.It's a very vexing subject !!!
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on August 22, 2018, 08:05:27 pm
[member=99582]mart6[/member] – (I’ve been a bit busy, but have now come back to this thread).  Useful background info’ from you once again, BUT I’m still not entirely convinced a workers’ respite caravan falls outside of “development” rules under present planning rules/practice - whether ancillary to an existing use or not.
As far as I can tell, various legal judgements have eroding the difference between mobile structures and permanent structures in planning terms:  in other words, it might be moveable, but it’s a “development” if it isn’t actually moved routinely.
As a “development” it requires, either, a notification to Local Authority Planning under permitted development rules (quite restricted on holdings of less than 5ha) or the submission of a planning application.
OK, maybe I’m still missing/overlooking some important factor or other here but, right now, my understanding is that a theoretically mobile structure of any kind that, in practice, remains stationary counts as “development” and, unfortunately, can/will be challenged by the LA planning if it is reported to them.It's a very vexing subject !!!

Case has been to appeal court in 1988 and as not been overturned to date
Councils wont challenge it , it would cost a fortune
They bluff till you throw that at them

Wealden District Council v Secretary of State for Environment and Colin Day: CA 1988

July 8, 2017 admin Off Planning,

References: (1988) JPL 268, [1988] 08 EG 112
Coram: Ralph Gibson LJ
Ratio: Land was in an area designated to be of outstanding natural beauty. The Council sought the removal of a caravan used to provide weatherproof storage for cattle food and shelter for the farmer, saying that this amounted to a material change of use. The inspector quashed the Enforcement Notice on the grounds that as the caravan was used for animal feed preparation and shelter. Such uses were ancillary to the agriculture use, and stationing the caravan was not a material change. The Council now contended that the caravan amounted to a new primary use of the land, and was not incidental to the existing use, that the use now was a mixed use, and that the change was material because the caravan was objectionable viusually.
Held: The Council’s appeal failed. The court should consider not just the placing of the caravan, but also the purpose of its being so placed. The use was incidental to the main purpose of use of the land and so was exempted under section 22(2)(e), and therefore there had been no material change of use.
Ralph Gibson LJ said that he: ‘had sympathy with the contention of the council that it was both surprising and a reasonable ground for concern if the occupier of agriculture land was free under Planning Law to station at any point upon his land one of more caravans, intended to serve the same purpose as farm buildings, regardless of the harm which the Planning Authority reasonably considered would be caused by the presence and appearance of the caravan in the place where they were stationed. ‘ However, such reflections upon apparent gaps in the extent of the planning control could not affect the construction of the Act because, the meaning of the word there used in the context of the Act as a whole was clear . . . the Section . . . operated where there was ‘use of any land for the purposes of agriculture’. The word ‘agriculture’ was defined [to include] a list of agriculture activities among which were for example, fruit growing and the breeding and keeping of live stock. No reliance was placed by Mr Burrell [counsel for the council] upon any arguments to the effect that Section [55(2)(e)] could only apply to use of land for the purposes of one of the listed agricultural activities and not for use for the purposes of activities ancillary or incidental to those listed agriculture activities. He was right not to rely on upon any such arguments. The definition was an inclusionary definition. Construed in its context there was ‘use of land for the purposes of agriculture’ where the land was used for activities in direct furtherance of agricultural activity.
The stationing of the caravan on the land was without doubt for the purposes of agriculture . . . a typical caravan . . . was said Mr. Burrell, designed for human habitation as a residence and therefore the stationing of it on land could not be ordinarily incidental to a primary agricultural use. It was assumed in that submission that the degree of connection between the land use in question and the primary agricultural use, was accurately expressed by the phrase ‘ordinarily incidental’ if the land use was held to be ‘for the purposes of agriculture’ within Section [55(2)9e)] Ralph Gibson LJ assumed that this was so but it was not necessary to decide whether the connection expressed by the meaning contained in that phrase would in every case be necessary for this purpose . . . there was nothing in the nature of the typical residential caravan . . . which rendered the use of such a caravan incapable of being properly regarded as ordinarily incidental to the agricultural use of land , that was to say as an ordinary piece of equipment for stationing upon land and for use when so stationed for the purpose of agriculture.’
Statutes: Town and Country Planning Act 1971 22(2)(e)
Jurisdiction: England and Wales
This case cites:

    Considered – G Percy Trentham Ltd v Gloucestershire County Council CA ([1966] 1 All ER 704, [1966] 1 WLR 506, [1966] 130 JP 179, [1966] 64 LGR 134)
    Whenever it is possible to recognise a single main purpose of the occupier’s use of his land to which secondary activities are incidental, the whole unit of occupation should be considered as one planning unit.
    Lord Parker CJ: ‘…Town and . .
    Applied – Restormel Borough Council v Secretary of State for the Environment and Rabey ([1982] JPL 785)
    A hotel placed a caravan within its grounds to house its waitresses. The council served an enforcement notice.
    Held: There had been no material change of use. The use of the caravan was incidental to the main use of the land. The test was to . .

(This list may be incomplete)
This case is cited by:

    Cited – Millington v Secretary of State for Environment Transport and Regions v Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough Council CA (Gazette 07-Jul-99, Times 29-Jun-99, Bailii, (2000) JPL 297, [1999] EWCA Civ 1682)
    The fact that a new product was made on agricultural land from produce grown elsewhere on the land did not make that production process non-agricultural. The making of wine is capable of being agricultural use, and being thus free from planning . .

(This list may be incomplete)

Last Update: 08 July 2017
Ref: 229043

https://swarb.co.uk/wealden-district-council-v-secretary-of-state-for-environment-and-colin-day-ca-1988/ (https://swarb.co.uk/wealden-district-council-v-secretary-of-state-for-environment-and-colin-day-ca-1988/)
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on August 22, 2018, 09:06:51 pm
[member=99582]mart6[/member] – (I’ve been a bit busy, but have now come back to this thread).  Useful background info’ from you once again, BUT I’m still not entirely convinced a workers’ respite caravan falls outside of “development” rules under present planning rules/practice - whether ancillary to an existing use or not.
As far as I can tell, various legal judgements have eroding the difference between mobile structures and permanent structures in planning terms:  in other words, it might be moveable, but it’s a “development” if it isn’t actually moved routinely.
As a “development” it requires, either, a notification to Local Authority Planning under permitted development rules (quite restricted on holdings of less than 5ha) or the submission of a planning application.
OK, maybe I’m still missing/overlooking some important factor or other here but, right now, my understanding is that a theoretically mobile structure of any kind that, in practice, remains stationary counts as “development” and, unfortunately, can/will be challenged by the LA planning if it is reported to them.It's a very vexing subject !!!

So that must also mean then that the Transit van that has been parked on the Land and in the same position for 3 years now as needs welding, but haven't got round to it falls under the same rules it has wheels and I can stick a bed in the back of it no problem and can move it around, but I haven't, but not a peep. Ive read many a story of welfare for caravans, in fact Ive witnessed it with my own eyes and seen it. What are you so sure it comes under development for....?

 Arobwk provides statements and proof of council being well how can a put it whipped, but you are just guessing at what should or shouldn't be and I know everything about permitted development and whats aloud and what isn't. This does not mean that because I don't have as much land that I should be grateful to grow grass and when up there and starts to rain, that me and my children should then sit under an umbrella for shelter does it...?

I want to learn farming, so should I have to take on massive land before I can make my mind up if I am really up to it and I can also rent other land and Im sure if it all is combined and is bigger in total than development rights, then this allows for some buildings, that the land does in fact not need to be connected in itself and can be in several places, as long as it makes up that amount.

You know farmers have fields all over, some miles from their actual home, so why is it different for me. It really seems you have know real ideas or proof of caravan and welfare laws and this is not me having a go, it is you having a go with no idea. In fact I think if you new where the land was and you seen caravan being put on the land even though one had been there for 5 years previous you would make the call to enforcement yourself.

I really appreciate the advice on here when it comes from actual proof and documentation which has been researched and proofed to be the right thing. But guessing is not really appreciated.

Thank You
Arobwk

for your help and advice
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on August 22, 2018, 09:41:57 pm
[member=179301]craiglang[/member]
Like i said if you have any problems get in touch , my pet hate is planning officers telling people tosh
Council were spouing off i failed to supply a business plan blah blah
In the end they tried say  i told them (2 officers)( and i was on my own )that i bought place to live in (tosh)
Planning inspector saw through lot and just stopped short of calling the liars.

Wont mater what council say gov planning inspectors know/refer to case law
and the councils wishful thinking fails.
It says agricultral use you do not have to be a profitable business

Ps
if you have any problems with your council ,i can give you details (ref) of my appeal re equine use and planning inspectors  interpretation . Your council will hibernate then
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on August 22, 2018, 10:21:59 pm
Thanks it means a lot, its feels hard when you are on your own and to know that somebody has been there and done that means all the more.

Thanks Again
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: Backinwellies on September 22, 2018, 08:13:15 am
Trying to follow this but it seems rather stuck in 'fight the council ' mode.        If I'm right in your original post you have planning for stables and tack room?  If so why can't you just put that up and use tack room for your rest room.....  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on September 22, 2018, 09:26:13 am
Hi Backinwellies

The stables are massive and I don't have the cash to put them up at the moment as I started a new business. Also the other storage I am talking about are simple sheds no concrete base nothing and I am turning the land back to agricultural.

Why can I not have a caravan that I was given to me, on my land like everyone else for wealthfare and safety ....?. Is there something wrong with me and Ive read lots of this about wealth fare and councils and Im not in fight with council, this is the first I have seen of them since I purchased the place 5-6 years ago.

The multi million pound house builders, that have just moved in across the railway can knock down a 200 year old farm house to build their new houses 350 none affordable S--T, but Im not aloud one static that replaced a static that has been there 5 years, for me and my 8 year old to get out the rain, when we are up there yes we have chickens etc, but we don't have £20,000 to build stables.

So to answer your questions at the moment I don't have the cash to build the stables if I could I would. Why is a shed that has no concrete foundation and will waist away to nothing wrong....?  Also I will still want the caravan when I have changed use back to agricultural for a cup of tea and wealth fare for my works ok. I think what you are missing is the fact that you are aloud to have a static on your land if its not use as a home which its not for you and your family and any workers.

The councillors don't study planning law they just get a job and say no to everything so that you pay a fortune in planning application for them to say no anyway. Thanks what your missing
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on September 22, 2018, 09:33:11 am
Once Ive changed use back to agricultural I will be needing all the sheds for animals and yes Im animal lover, Is there anything wrong with this....? Am I doing something wrong that I want to care for animals on my land and if it pours down get out of the rain in comfort and make a cup of tea ...?

Can you follow this, I have my CPH number and I will be writing a business plan and if they have to drag me off there they can
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: Goatherd on September 22, 2018, 12:06:32 pm
  I agree with backinwellies    I thought travelers just did it land mobile home animals fight council
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: Backinwellies on September 22, 2018, 12:32:44 pm
So you have 3 acres and planning for 5 stables (now 5 years on so planning may be lapsed? )  ….  5 stables seems rather a lot for 3 acres?    Alter planning to 1 or 2 stables and a large tack room?

We all want to do loads of stuff which would stretch laws and involve fighting authorities   and get cross over what others seem to get away with …..  but frankly is it worth your health?     

Enjoy your land ….. if a tea 'shed' is necessary what about a large van complete with gas stove (ours is very comfortable and can be parked up anywhere …. no it is not a camper van  .. just a VW van. )

too much  :rant:  :gloomy:  :rant:  is just not worth it
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: landroverroy on September 22, 2018, 02:58:59 pm
Or, if your planning is still valid, and you can't afford to build it all, then just make a start, build a small amount of it and make it watertight, and use that for now. That will also preserve your planning permission until such time as you can afford the rest.
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on September 22, 2018, 09:21:04 pm
5 years on I actually have laid the slab and built the internal walls of the full stable block.  I was with a girlfriend who owned 4 horses and I owned one horse. I purchased the land of 6 acres and I also sold half the land so that answers your question how it sounds a lot of stables for 3 acres as it was 6 acres, but now 3, but I should knock them down to be happy....? That devalues the land and what i have already built.

I might as well go get an allotment and be happy then because I cannot have what I want and many people have started small farms on less land, than I have, so why am I not allowed to do this....? Yes I forgot I should knock the thing down now and go back to 1 or 2 stables.

Im not going to let a council official tell me that I cannot do something when many people before and around me have done exactly the same and more with a lot less land. So if you cannot help do not speak to me on the thread. You go enjoy you little piece and Ill go sort my S--T out...!

Well I am going to start a business from there and the only reason the stables are not built is because I started another when I was half way through them. I am actually sat here working out the timber I need to build them.

So you do not need to answer any more or give any more of your excellent advice. A Sheep thats what I should be get what I'm given and like it and you may be happy in your camper van good for you I'm happy for you, but that is not what I want, so am I not aloud what I want....?
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on September 22, 2018, 09:26:43 pm
  I agree with backinwellies    I thought travelers just did it land mobile home animals fight council
Well Im no traveler and if I want to build a small farm I can, but you seem to be, someone who sticks everyone in one pocket. You just don't get it go be a consumer and do as the man tells you, because I have a caravan on a piece of land that is a mile from my home Im a traveler
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on September 24, 2018, 10:19:48 am
craiglang time to get yourself in gear
Have they served a enforcement notice ?
Doubt it if they have given you 28 days
You do not need planning for change of use to agricultral on land or any buildings that have permission
including stables that is exactly what i did.
This is important imo get some livestock sheep/goats or horse would be best to do it now before they serve a enforcement notice. The caravan can stay then
The steel shed you can apply for agricultral permission (much cheaper) or wait and see if the serve enforcement notice and then appeal it
Imo would be best to move house thing untill rest is sorted
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: landroverroy on September 24, 2018, 04:15:38 pm
5 years on I actually have laid the slab and built the internal walls of the full stable block.  I was with a girlfriend who owned 4 horses and I owned one horse. I purchased the land of 6 acres and I also sold half the land so that answers your question how it sounds a lot of stables for 3 acres as it was 6 acres, but now 3, but I should knock them down to be happy....? That devalues the land and what i have already built.



Get a grip!  :eyelashes:  You're getting so you can't see the wood for the trees. :raining:
You have a plot of land with planning permission for stables that you have started. So that means you have cemented the planning permission. So for heavens sake don't think about knocking them down or you'll have to start applying all over again.


You've had some pretty good advice and support so look it over again, do some research on the internet, forget about what anyone else has done, take a deep breath and decide where you want to go with it.  :fc:
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on September 24, 2018, 10:51:00 pm
Hi Landrover
I am not thinking of knocking anything down especially there stables, its others on here who are why have you got stables 5 stable on 3 acres and want to know my life story. I had girlfriend she had 4 horses she left Im left with the land and stables and one horse.

I like animals so I want to start a hobby farm, Im a joiner so I build with wood and Im getting called a Traveler who b y the way there is one next to me and he is the best neighbour I have.

I am just complaining about the others saying that I am not aloud to have the static as welfare when I know I am. I am changing the land back to agricultural Then Im going to get all rare breeds of british animals that are in danger etc and call it Pygmy Farm. I can seed perfect but when others are saying why you have this or that instead of constructive advice, it just pees me off thats all. But I will make my farm and Ill do it without knocking anything down. I might sell the Hanzel & Gretal style cabin as be worth around £20.000 so that will pay for most of what I need.

Most councillors don't know much and just go off what they think I have did my research and I am totally aloud to have a place for welfare and health and safety and I will still be living at my home for all reading this thinking Im going to move in it...? why would I do that when I have a mint home all ready the land is perfect as my business yard and for my farm. I go there first thing and last thing after work. So I don't need to live there and trying to get a modern day women to live in a caravan who is not a traveler is a hard thing to do.

So I have a grip it the people who don't and have to say negative things that need to get a grip, but each to their own.

Thanks For The Comments
Craig 
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: landroverroy on September 25, 2018, 10:21:57 am
Good luck Craig. :fc:
Trouble is a lot of people on here mean well but state an opinion rather than an actual fact and that is pointless.   
However knowledge is power!
I'm sure you'll get there. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: Dookie on December 19, 2018, 07:02:13 pm
You know what your problem is? You don't have unlimited wealth and friends in high places...
I've seen it time and time again...
Just up the road to me there is a 12th century church with links to King Canute, etc... the surrounding countryside is a conservation zone... so you can imagine the amount of objections there were when a developer wanted to build 40 houses adjacent to this beautiful church... but it didn't matter, the development was granted with the green belt boundary being moved to support it..
Honestly, my heart bleeds for you... you just want to quietly go about your business and live your life, but there's always someone out to get you.
I've just been through 5 years of litigation with a horrible neighbour and now have post traumatic stress... I hope you have better luck.
Regards, Dookie.
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on January 01, 2019, 02:43:59 pm
Thanks Dookie

I just don't understand why they do this sort of thing and build where they want and near what can only be called a national important structure.

Obviously somebody got a brown envelope for that sort of development. Mine is a meter from the boundary of the town but this should not matter as it is not for development, but im sure they will be coming with an offer pretty soon in the next few years as its in the nice area of my town.

I still have not heard a thing back from the council about the planning application as i did not agree with their changes from the sheds being changed from horsiculture to agriculture as they where built for agriculture and I will take them down for the extra £366 they are asking after telling me that it should only be £96 which I paid.

Now I no they are going to refuse even if i pay the extra fees so why should I the sheds are only the type you can take down. They don't have concrete bases or anything and if Im paying that amount I want them to be permanent structures.

At the moment they can just rot away after time. So I told them I did not agree with their amended planning app and have heard nothing since, oh and they said my location map is out by 1.5m over the 1,1250 they asked for, which i paid for and I downloaded from their site but it is wrong...? I only sent it straight to them I never printed it, just sent it over the net as i got it,

I think I am going to complain to the planning inspectorate for their time wasting as it has been months now.

I feel for you about your neighbour as I have that type to this is where all the trouble come from but they still have the check to wave at me....? WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY THINK...?

Hope you feel better and thanks for the comment
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on January 14, 2019, 10:23:02 am
Hi Craig
We spoke on the phone a few months ago if you recall
If you have any stables that have planning permission as stables or have been up that long they are exempt from enforcement action you donot need planning permission for change of use to agricultral use and thats 110% fact

If the council tell you any different tell them to jog on and your happy for planning inspector to decide as you will appeal.
Council tried something like that with my case i purchased stables and use them for agricultral use and no planning is needed

Sounds like they have gone over time so they are trying to make excuses so its not passed by default
PS dont do anything till they get back to you
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: craiglang on January 26, 2019, 09:05:31 pm
Hello Mart

How are you hope things are good and you had good xmas..?

Im still waiting to hear from them have heard nothing back after I sent the last email which I stated I did not agree with my planning application to be amended, as the sheds where not built for horse and have never been used for horses.

The sheds where built for storage of tools and for the process of a small farm. I did not here anything after I told them I did not agree with the amended plans from their side. I have the letter from the enforcement officer that states that the change from horsicultre land to agriculture land is under permitted development and that no planning is needed for this.

So why have they put the change of use of the land in with the planning application to keep the sheds...? Is this so they can charge me more money...? than the standard fee of £96 and not the £466 they are asking for.?

I called them after they asked for more money and then explained I had a letter stating that the land can be changed to agriculture with no planning needed. The women on the phone said i will have to go away and do more investigation.

So i thought I would rate to here back about the extra investigation they had been doing, as you would, because that is what she said she was going to do.

But I then got a email saying because I had not been in touch about the amendment to the plans, which I had that I had 14 days to write back or the application could not be processed this was over 2 months ago and I sent her another email saying I was waiting for the outcome of your investigations as that what you said you where going to do.

I also stated again that I do not agree with the amended plans and that I think it should be processed for what it is and how the application was submitted to them.

I have not heard anything back after this no refund, no email, no nothing...? Its been nearly 4-5 months now from initial visit planning application and still no further forward.

They haven't mentioned the caravan or been back to in touch about it. So at this moment I am still no further forward.

I am just going to start my farming and do as I want and I am quite willing to take the sheds down get my money back as they have done nothing so why should they keep it and as the change of use is free, then they should not keep my money.

I will then put in other applications when the farm is up and running and I have access to another 15 acres just up the road as and when the farm grows. But this piece is where I am basing my farm has it has electric and water and is closest to my home.

When I will here from them is anyones guess as they just seem to do anything and everything they want.

How long does it have to go over to not be passed by default? I have proof the emails where sent and I sent them to the planner and the planning department saying I do not agree with the amendments, so they cannot say I have not told them I want the application to go through as I planned it to. 

Nice to see you are still following along Mart appreciate it  ;)
Title: Re: Can I Site A Static On My Land If Im Not Living In It...?
Post by: mart6 on January 26, 2019, 11:14:30 pm
Hi Craig
They tried it on and lost ....lol
Looks like it has clicked they dont have a leg to stand on
If i were you i would say you have proof of information sent and tell them your not doing anything else or removing anything.

If they wish to take enforcement action you will be happy  to appeal and pass all the details including that of the planning application to the planning inspector and you are confident he will find in your favour
And if they do take such action you will be applying for costs because of thier unresonable behaviour

Keep  thread updated if they do take enforcement which i think is about 5% chance now, i will help you with appeal if you need any help

Had a quite xmas but busy with kidding now and putting up extra sheds  ;)