The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Cattle => Topic started by: Scotsdumpy on June 20, 2018, 04:45:13 pm
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Weve used Genus for our cattle AI services with excellent results. Today we got a letter from them saying that they will no longer be providing a daily AI service. Their alternative is now a sync programme which costs a minimum of £220 for the first 12 animals served. We only have 3 cows so this is far too expensive. We wouldn't want to keep a bull for so few animals so we don't know what our options are now. Does anyone have any ideas or contacts for AI services in the Fraserburgh area of Aberdeenshire? We don't have storage facilities for semen.
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Ooft. That's not good. Is this nationwide ot just in yoru area? RBST use Genus to hold and supply their RB semen.
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We use Genus in Cumbria and we haven't had a letter, so maybe just a regional thing?
Sorry that's no help for you though.
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To paraphrased the letter,
from 5th July this year we will no longer offer a daily AI service. Due to reduced AI numbers, rising costs and staffing of areas...
we can offer a sync programme at £220 for first 12 animals then £12 per cow after - this needs booking at least 2 weeks in advance. We have taken into account the geographical and economic factors in making this decision. We can still provide semen and liquid nitrogen delivery for diy.
We've spoken to our vets and they don't offer a service and couldn't suggest anyone who does.
The maddening thing is we are situated adjacent to a large dairy farm and when the technician has been before she has either just been or just going to the dairy.
I don't know about rbst semen - it is something we've used before by genus.
It's just another nail in the smallholding coffin - if you're small you aren't worth the effort.
I hope to speak to genus in the next few days and see what's what. Unfortunately, the two cows that have calved this year haven't started bulling and the last one isn't due til July.
Will be interested to see how many other areas are affected!
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Rosemary said:
Ooft. That's not good. Is this nationwide ot just in yoru area? RBST use Genus to hold and supply their RB semen.
Genus have some of my Shetland straws in storage. Is there anybody on this group from RBST who can find out if this decision by Genus is nation wide? Does anybody know of an alternative semen storage company and one who provides an insemination service?
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Worth talking to the dairy farm
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I've posted a message on genus facebook page - maybe social media will widen the message (I doubt it)!
Backinwellies - the dairy nearby use genus and are probably syncing already.
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Backinwellies - the dairy nearby use genus and are probably syncing already.
Yes exactly, so they might help out a neighbour and add your tiny herd to their account ;)
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My better half has phoned Genus this morning via the call centre - they didn't know anything about it despite the telephone number was on the letter as a contact for liquid nitrogen and semen supplies... fortunately, he was given the ditect line to the person who signed the letter. He's left a message - awaiting a reply....
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We never got a return call from Genus so I put a call out on a scottish facebook forum and got a result! Cogent have been very helpful and have given me a name of a technician operating in my area. As yet, we haven't made contact but he used to work for Genus and he's been to us before. Hopefully, this will work out for us - I couldn't face having to get rid of my girls just because we couldn't get them served..
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Maybe need to look outside the box.
What's more important - keeping your 3 girls, or managing to get them served with the same breed?
My guess is you'd rather keep your cows and get them served with another breed, than get rid of them altogether.
Ever since I started with 2 herefords and used AI 3 times on one of them, and she still didn't get pregnant, I have used a bull.
I've bought a young bull, used him on my cows and sold him on at a profit. I actually use the bull for 2 years, sell him on as a still young, but proven bull and that more than pays for his overwintering, and saves a lot of time as the bull has never missed!
You don't even have to keep him long - just 6 weeks should be enough to guarantee pregnancy.
Or failing that - is there no one around that would let you run your cows with his for a few weeks, or even lend you a young bull? I've been quite happy to lend one of my young bulls out to an approved local home. Sometimes it can be advantageous to have them out of the way for a while so long as they are properly looked after and keep growing.
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Thanks for the advice landroverroy - there aren't many people in our area that keep a small bull - the beef breeders tend to have the big continental animals. The dairy farms use Genus. We have always used Aberdeen angus semen as the calves are easily born and do well at market. Also, touch wood, we have always managed to get them pregnant on the first 'go'. Unfortunately our fences wouldn't contain a bull - especially if he sees/smells the fields full of dairy cows around us!! In the past we have been 'invaded' by neighbours beef steers at all hours of day and night!! So wouldn't like to be chasing a bull around the area if he legs it. We might have asked another neighbour if we could bring our girls to his dairy shorthorn bull but the logistics/paperwork/biodiversity would have been another hurdle. Hopefully, now, we have another technician to contact - the 2 cows that have already calved haven't starte d bulling yet and we still have one to calve early July.
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I am going to have the same problem, but I am further south than you. What about doing the AI course and doing your own, expensive to start with but could pay for its self. Or a freelance AI technician, ring round the vets and see if they know of any.
Quite a few people seem to keep a young bull and then send it off for meat, so as long as you get the right animal it can not be that difficult,
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I understand your problem with the fences Scotsdumpy, having just got back from persuading a hereford heifer that she really should be back on our land, not the sheep pasture next door.
However, I am replacing some of my fencing and was told it will last years longer if you run a line of electric along the top of it. I also remember being told that the only thing to stop bulls fighting was to have electric fence between them. So that would seem to be an option if you were thinking further of getting or borrowing/hiring a bull.
Also, a young bull is less likely to wander and also less persistent than an older one that is used to being in charge and doing his own thing. Our Highland bull (8 years old) walks through barbed wire fences that keep the rest of the cattle in. Last year he walked through our fence, along 3 miles of river bank to visit a neighbours suckler herd, and then through the neighbour's fence to get to the cows. Yet that fencing was quite adequate to keep my cows, and my neighbours cows where they should be. I'm pretty sure though that a strand of electric fence would have made him rethink his wander lust!
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Dammit, was due to get our jersey heifer AI'd this month but haven't managed yet, so this makes it a bit harder....
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Greenbeast - whereabouts are you because this could just be an Aberdeenshire problem. I would give your technician a ring to confirm.
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We're way down south, about as far away as one could be, so maybe!
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Don't Cogent do your area. We are not a fan of Sync it can mess up future cycles. Not for us. Have run bull for main herd and AI jersey on the heat patch which I call the night before. 2 weeks before is quite organised and something we couldn't do however, we are in a highly AI used area and Cogent don't have to travel far. I assume travelling distances and manpower is their concern.
Another option is to hire a bull.
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Thanks farmers wife. Someone from Cogent has been in touch with me and, although we are too fsr North, he put me in touch with a local technician who can take us on. We wouldn't want to buy or rent or borrow a bull as we have a couple of dairy farms within earsight and smell of him - our fences wouldn't be up to containing a rampant bull!!
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stevie rolfe .sr cattle services covers most of scotland doing syncro ai and scanning .he will also store semen only charges for what he does . and for 2 or 3 he would probably need to be in your area but will always go out his way to help his number 07850184313 . i did the ai course a couple of years ago. tank filled with nitrogen all the kit and the course was £1000. costs £30 every 2 month for the top up . i enjoy doing it myself but probably wouldnt have bothered if i had known about stevie first . it was the genus technician not always being available when i needed them and the cost of storing a few straws with genus was horrendous which made me do the course. glad i did .
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Thanks lanfauld easycare - I'll keep the number handy if our new technician lets us down. We used to have rare breed semen stored by Genus so I know what you mean about the charges!! We were very pleased with the service they gave us - we rang before 9am and the technician came around lunchtime - without fail. We live not far from 2 large dairy farms and were at one or the other just about every day so it's not as if we were out of the way somewhere.