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Title: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 28, 2010, 12:10:25 pm
Just noticed someone in Marketplace looking for seeds/cuttings and it prompted me to pop in here.
I have tried to grow Comfrey from seed twice now with no success.
It bugs because I know that once it is growing it has a tendency to go crackers.
Mysteriously I remember my Grandad making Comfrey 'Tea' for his plants in this very garden... so where has it all gone? You won't know, obviously, but you may have some tips on getting some growing?
Thanks
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hermit on July 28, 2010, 12:23:23 pm
I have comfrey growing and it does get too big for your normal borders ;) I have enough to see me through the season but it does make the polytunnel smell like blocked drains. I was given mine as roots from neighbours.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on July 28, 2010, 01:15:14 pm
The comfrey you need for the garden is Bocking 14 which doesn't grow from seed.  If you need root cuttings I will happily send you some if you pay the postage.  It's wonderful stuff - you make a liquid feed (your granddads tea), you can chop it and use it as a mulch, you can dig it into tomato planting holes, add it to the compost heap or use it to enrich bought growing compost.  It is also very good for sheep who like to graze the young leaves and of course the bees and other beneficial insects absolutely love the flowers.  So if you want some roots (I have masses ) please pm me.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: lazybee on July 28, 2010, 02:30:05 pm
Okay I know Comfrey is good for bees, but what else is it supposed to be for? I read somewhere it was poisonous. ???
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fergie on July 28, 2010, 02:44:22 pm
The old fashioned name is Knit-bone, and was used for mending broken bones.

It is very effective as a poultice for healing, although most modern medics wouldn't recommend eating it - it can cause liver damage in excess.  Sheep love it, and it makes very good fertiliser.

John
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 29, 2010, 05:24:25 am
Okay I know Comfrey is good for bees, but what else is it supposed to be for? I read somewhere it was poisonous. ???

As Fergie says, it's a good fertiliser. You make a foul smelling liquid fertiliser from the leaves the same way as you do with nettles.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 29, 2010, 05:28:59 am
The comfrey you need for the garden is Bocking 14 which doesn't grow from seed.  If you need root cuttings I will happily send you some if you pay the postage.  It's wonderful stuff - you make a liquid feed (your granddads tea), you can chop it and use it as a mulch, you can dig it into tomato planting holes, add it to the compost heap or use it to enrich bought growing compost.  It is also very good for sheep who like to graze the young leaves and of course the bees and other beneficial insects absolutely love the flowers.  So if you want some roots (I have masses ) please pm me.

Thanks for the info and the offer. I only knew the 'tea' bit and that it is invasive - I guess with sheep that doesn't bother you  :)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on July 29, 2010, 11:30:44 am
Hi Stevemo. Bocking 14 isn't invasive because it doesn't set seed.  It does tend to grow from bits of stem when it's been used as a mulch though so it does spread, but it's easy enough to dig out.

Another use for comfrey is as a dye plant - it supposedly gives a lovely soft green but so far I haven't had any luck with preparing a dyebath as it's so mucilaginous (gloopy). Must try again.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: smallholder in the city on July 29, 2010, 12:42:51 pm
Crusading knights used to take some leaves in a pot, when they went off crusading, the leaves rot down and made a salve which was thought to be good for cuts and bruises. Apparently it was also thought to make you a virgin again (? re-virginises?).   

I've just grown a comfrey patch this year. Bocking 14 root cuttings and it didn't take long at all. Comfrey has a very long tap root (1m or more) so be sure about where you want your patch to be as it will be very difficult to move. New plants grow from even the tiniest bit of root.

Comfrey tea is great for the veg patch.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 29, 2010, 12:43:37 pm
Fleecewife - Yes, I've read about it being used as a dye and from my memories of the stuff Grandad used to brew up, had my doubts. Let us know if you try again.
Oh! And thanks for the new word  ;)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 29, 2010, 12:45:07 pm
Crusading knights used to take some leaves in a pot, when they went off crusading, the leaves rot down and made a salve which was thought to be good for cuts and bruises. Apparently it was also thought to make you a virgin again (? re-virginises?).   

I've just grown a comfrey patch this year. Bocking 14 root cuttings and it didn't take long at all. Comfrey has a very long tap root (1m or more) so be sure about where you want your patch to be as it will be very difficult to move. New plants grow from even the tiniest bit of root.

Comfrey tea is great for the veg patch.

Interesting stuff - did the knights make their own virgins then?  :D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: lazybee on July 29, 2010, 02:52:22 pm
mucilaginous

Ooooh Hark at her ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Samantha on July 29, 2010, 05:20:38 pm
LOL .. i don't know about you guys but I love learning not just about the herbs and how to grow but the folklore and stuff too. Makes for some interesting reading.  :love:

Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 29, 2010, 05:44:42 pm
Yep - can't wait to drop the snippet about Comfrey into the conversation next time someone's doing a tour of my garden  ;D
Seriously though, I do love to know what things were used for and the thinking behind it. A lot of it still stands today.....I'm doubtful about the Comfrey though.....
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: smallholder in the city on July 29, 2010, 05:55:25 pm
That's what I like about herbs too.
Apparently you need to add the comfrey leaves to your bath in order to get your virginity back but it only works for the ladies. :D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: RUSTYME on July 29, 2010, 07:29:34 pm
comfrey does do exactly what they say.... it does heal broken bones much faster than they would without it's use , and it also heals cuts etc much much faster . Not tried it with the broken bones , mine heal very fast anyway  !! but I have tried it with cuts etc ... and it really works .
 With horses you have to go careful as it can promote to much new skin formation , if used as a poultice on cuts .
 It also works on skin ulcers that have resisted conventional treatment . They have tried comfrey as a last resort and in a very short time , they were completely healed .
 You can read all about comfrey in Lawrence D Hills book  ' Comfrey , past , present and future ' .
 Not sure about the virgin healing bit though  ?  ::) ;D

cheers

Russ
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hilarysmum on July 29, 2010, 08:32:21 pm
Comfrey leaves dipped in batter and fried is delicious.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on July 30, 2010, 11:35:38 am
<<Comfrey leaves dipped in batter and fried is delicious>>
Really?  I never would have thought of that - I will be giving it a go  :yum:.  I think I do just about everything else with it apart from mending broken bones because, fingers crossed, we haven't had any to treat....yet
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: lazybee on July 30, 2010, 11:46:07 am
I thought we had just discussed it was poisonous. Why would you want to eat it ??? ??? and another thing how would something applied to the outside of your body fix a bone ??? unless you made it into a plaster cast. Have a word with yourselves ;)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 30, 2010, 01:31:36 pm
A lot of herbs & plants are poisonous if taken in great quantities, comfrey's on the 'bit more dodgy' side. It's a bit like those 'adverse symptoms' you read on medicines that scare the bejesus out of you before you use them  :)

I can't hear myself talk  ;)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fergie on July 30, 2010, 01:32:10 pm
Comfrey is an ancient herb, and used to be drunk as a tea or applied externally as a poultice (when it would be absorbed through the skin).  There is plenty of historical lore that indicates that it works well for healing wounds, but it can also cause liver damage if eaten in excess (but so does alcohol).  I've no idea what an excess amount is - I suspect nobody has ever done clinical trials on it.

This thread has some similarities to the rhubard thread - rhubarb would not be licenced as a food product if it was a new product, due to the quantity of oxalic acid in it, but taken in moderation it is fine.

John
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: RUSTYME on July 30, 2010, 01:33:59 pm
Comfrey does contain a poison !! it contains an alkaloid of the pyrrolizidine group. There is however,to date , absolutely no proof that it 'has' caused any death or even severe illness at any time  !! . There is evidence of liver disease in one or two cases of people who took comfrey , but no conclusive proof at all , that this was caused by comfrey .
 Potatoes contain solanine and poppies opium , every bread shop I know sells bread with poppy seeds in or on , and they 'are' the opium type poppy seeds !! . also probably about 90% of the UK eat potatoes in one form or another ...how many of them die ? Tomatoes are of the same family and also contain poison , but as with potatoes it is such small amounts that there is very little to no risk at all , unless you were to eat the leaves of either plant ...that would be a different matter.
 Comfrey is related to Borage , which also contains the same group of alkaloids  , many people still use that !!!
On the subject of poisons , tobacco is poisonous , yet millions of people all over the world smoke it , sniff it and chew it  !! I am not saying that makes it ok , just that many millions do use it even though there is a very real risk of health problems, and tobacco is many many times more dangerous than comfrey !!
 As for the healing of bones , it is fact !!! that comfrey contains certain chemicals that have healing abilities . Now as we all know ? you can get all sorts of creams that we rub on our skin that work on parts of the body that are inside !!! Ibuprofen gel for one . It is an anti inflammatory and it does work . Ibuprofen  can cause serious problems with the stomach , yet we still use it !!! The thing is the amount that is used .
 A calculation was made once regarding the amount of comfrey that  is safe to use . If a 10 stone man was to drink 20+ cups of comfrey tea everyday of his life from birth , it 'could ' cause damage to his liver . This would not have to be fatal damage and the man would be 140 years old before the damage showed  ::) ;D
 There is  'no' proof or any record of anybody being killed of comfrey poisoning , but it is for everyone to make their own mind up whether they want to eat it dipped in batter and fried ... I would suggest that they would be more likely to die of the oil that it was fried in than the comfrey itself !!!
 Tests that show comfrey contains the alkaloid were carried out by the FDA in the USA . They then banned the use of comfrey for internal use ...
 The FDA also 'passed' the use of Aspartame in all foods including children's food . Aspartame IS poisonous and has been proved to be so . Perhaps we should get Donald Rumsfeld to allow comfrey as he did Aspartame . He was CEO of Searle , the company that makes and sells aspartame , the sweetener in Nutrasweet , and also in many 'spring waters' for sale in your local shops NOW !!! The FDA had banned aspartame , but Rumsfeld called in markers to get it passed, even though there was proof that it causes brain tumors and holes in the brain !!! The man in control of the board that passed aspartame was Arthur Hayes Hull jr.
Hull later left the FDA under allegations of impropriety, served briefly as Provost at New York Medical College, and then took a position with Burston-Marsteller, the chief public relations firm for both Monsanto and GD Searle. There we are again 'Monsanto' own G D Searle .. and it would seem the FDA ....so any tests and conclusions that the FDA come to are all but worthless .

 The truth is out there ... you just need to look !!! ;D ;D

cheers

Russ
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 30, 2010, 01:38:28 pm
snip
 The truth is out there ... you just need to look !!! ;D ;D

cheers

Russ
And if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask  ;D
Phew! That took some reading but was well worth it - thanks Russ!
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: lazybee on July 30, 2010, 02:30:03 pm
Oh wow. three cheers for Google the font of all knowledge (and half baked nonsense "fact")  ::) cut and paste all the bits you like the sound of ;D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: RUSTYME on July 30, 2010, 03:21:07 pm
google isn't the font of 'all ' knowledge as far as I know !!! and I have never said it was . It does however , make knowledge available to the ordinary person such as myself .
 This 'knowledge' is independent of google, and in no way owned or controlled by google. Some people ,such as myself , have to rely on information available to us via internet or libraries or other archive sources . Because an article is accessed by google ,is it made  invalid ?  I didn't cut and paste any information in the post I wrote , although I did use one sentence almost verbatim , from an independent article accessed through google. 
Most of the information I used on comfrey was from the book on Comfrey by Lawrence D Hills ( do a google on his name , but no doubt that will make the mans lifetime work invalid also...) .
The information about Donald Rumsfeld , Monsanto , G D Searle and Aspartame , is available from many many different places on the internet . Because that is available on the internet is that also invalid ? I did mention the fact that the FDA had banned aspartame prior to 1985 , but changed their mind after D Rumsfeld called in his markers . The man is corrupt , as is Monsanto as is GD Searle by proxy at least . The FDA is as corrupt as DR and the rest , just look into the history of the companies and their management and then cross reference how many of them went to work for the FDA , and then back to the companies again  !!! The information IS there  , google just makes it easy for me to access it . Sadly I can't afford to fly out to the USA and delve into the records of all the companies or the FDA .
 I did also say that comfrey DOES contain poison , how is that just using the bits I like the sound of ? As for the 'fact' bit ... comfrey DOES contain healing chemicals according to various independent tests carried out over the last 100 years or so .
 I am not a chemist nor a biological expert or an expert on poisons . I therefore have to find information from somewhere. Perhaps in future I should ask you ? it may save me many hours of searching and reading test results for AND against things such as comfrey .
Although I have a fairly extensive library of over 2000 books ( real paper ones ) , I also have about that amount gleaned from the internet via various routes , one of them being google . This does not make my view the right one , it makes it MY one. As I am entitled to my view ,  you are entitled to yours , how do you come by yours ....?  Would it be that you read as much information as you can , both for and against , and then form an educated judgement from that information  ? , the way everyone does  !!!! everyone including me.  As I say , I may be wrong , if I am ?,  and you know I am , then please tell me what you know , that I don't !!! I am open to all proof/information both for and against  ;D

cheers

Russ
 
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fergie on July 30, 2010, 03:26:20 pm
Oh wow. three cheers for Google the font of all knowledge (and half baked nonsense "fact")  ::) cut and paste all the bits you like the sound of ;D

Your comment is somewhat unfair - after all, you asked the question in the first place!
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on July 31, 2010, 06:39:23 am
Blinking 'eck! I've not been here 2 minutes and two threads I've posted in have started bickering  ::)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: lazybee on July 31, 2010, 07:17:57 am
Hey, you can't beat a good healthy debate ;D The bits that I reacted to really was was this statement: "As for the healing of bones , it is fact !!!" and because one person writes a book, it doesn't make it true. Out of all the hospitals in the world how many of them use Comfrey? At least my bees like it.

Give me strength.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: smallholder in the city on July 31, 2010, 12:56:38 pm
As a doctor (although not an orthopaedic surgeon- I don't play enough rugby) I can confirm the absence of Comfrey from the hospital prescribing formulary.   :)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: RUSTYME on July 31, 2010, 01:32:52 pm
 as for the healing of bones , it is fact !!! that comfrey contains certain chemicals that have healing abilities .
now it may be my lack of education , and almost certainly my diabolical punctuation , but, I have read the sentence again and again and I still read it as I wrote it ...."as for the healing of bones  " , (notice the comma)  "  it is fact !!! that comfrey contains certain chemicals that have healing abilities ".  I was stating that comfrey has healing chemicals in its make up. 
 Also, although it may not be used in hospitals , does that mean it doesn't work ? ( would these be the same hospitals that don't even wash their hands between treating patients ? , or leave bags of medical waste in the wards and corridors ? ).  How many hospitals go out and cut down willow and strip the bark off , dry it out and then grind it up , to be taken instead of the artificial aspirin we take for things such as blood thinning , to avoid strokes and heart attacks ?. None as far as I know !! but it would work just as well . 
  The same goes for fox gloves , digitalin is used in certain heart conditions.
 The 'one person' who wrote 'a book' just happens to be Lawrence D Hills :
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_D._Hills
Founder of the Henry Doubleday Research Association .
 Now I know that doesn't make him incapable of being wrong , but he uses the work of many people within the book, both for and against the use of comfrey. 
To be so dismissive of the book , and what information it contains , I can only assume that you have the book , have read it , and know all this anyway  ? , and have come to the conclusion that he is wrong !! The reason I assume that , is that it is impossible to base any statement , view or argument ,  on the validity of a written work , without actually having read said work !!, somewhat like building a house on shifting sand !! or even more like , pissing in the wind !!!  ;D ;D ;D
Oh and it is definitely debate !!! not bickering  ::) ;D

cheers

Russ
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on July 31, 2010, 01:52:51 pm
OK lazybee, hold onto your hair and we'll look into this further.  Imagine a time many hundreds of years ago, when people didn't take a shower every day, or wash their clothes often.  Transport was by horse ie slow and with plenty of manure around. There was no such thing as Health & Safety.  Most people worked with their hands in a mucky environment and the wars were violent, muddy and fought at close quarters.  Injuries were frequent and help was not usually available. Many injuries were immediately fatal but others, which appeared to be survivable turned out not to be, with the injured person dying after a few days. We know now that the most dangerous type of fracture is Compound, which means that both the bone and the skin have been broken, allowing dirt, and thus infection, from the environment to get to the inside of the bone.  The inside of the bones is where your blood is made, so infection there is going to spread rapidly throughout your body and is difficult to get rid of. Now we know these people were dying of sepicaemia.  Even today a compound fracture is a dangerous situation requiring emergency surgery to clean and close the wound, and requires large doses of modern antibiotics.  Way back then, without rapid response teams, air ambulances, skilled surgeons, a wide variety of antibiotics, external fixation, skilled wound care and so on and so on, those caring for the injured still had to give it a go, by using what they had to hand.  And guess what?  They had comfrey, amongst other things and over the years it was found that the mucilaginosity ( ;D :D yeah I stretched it a bit) and other properties of comfrey aided healing of open/compound fractures, especially if they cleaned it out with wine ie alcohol, before covering it. So from no-one surviving a compound fracture, suddenly some did, which has got to be an improvement.  So comfrey earned its name of Knit-bone.
Of course you won't find it in a hospital pharmacy nowadays when we have so many antibiotics and powerful dressings. But one thing you will find is dressings made of seaweed, which are perfect for healing discharging wounds which some of the more hi-tec stuff won't touch. Seaweed is mucilaginous too  ;D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: smallholder in the city on July 31, 2010, 04:38:14 pm
twas a jest. ;D (my comment about the formulary)

You will find a pint of Guiness in some old formularies though!

In fact most of the drugs I prescribe, that are in the formulary, originate from plants. The most recent antidepressants SSRIs have the same active ingrediant as St John's wort, that's where the drug companies got it from. Digoxin a cardiac drug is from Digitalis/ foxglove and a component very similar to Aspirin is found in willow bark and leaves which Hippocrates prescribed for pain and fever in ancient Greece.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on August 01, 2010, 09:27:32 am
Let's all hear it for "mucilaginous"  ;D

Is this the word of the month? ;)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: RUSTYME on August 01, 2010, 09:59:53 am
yep sitc... wasn't Guinness ( or ordinary stout) taken to counteract anemia ? I remember my mum being told by the doctor to drink a bottle of stout everyday !!! , iron tablets used to make her puke.

cheers

Russ
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: smallholder in the city on August 01, 2010, 12:05:39 pm
Indeed it was, not allowed to do that anymore though
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: sabrina on August 29, 2010, 06:39:41 pm
As far as I know Aspartame is banned in America, it can affect the heart rate among other things. At the moment I am feeding Comfrey to one of my ponies who had to opened up again 10 days ago after on going problems with his gelding which was done in May. Vet knows I am using it to try and heal his wounds.  :horse:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: RUSTYME on August 29, 2010, 11:46:10 pm
nope... aspartame is perfectly legal in the USA as it is here in the UK ... even though they KNOW it is poison ..It was banned by the FDA (corrupt)  in the USA till 1985 when Donald Rumsfeld ( corrupt) had that changed ...he was the CEO of the company that made it. They are now making it under a different name ...it is in so many things ... even spring water now. 

cheers

Russ
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: faith0504 on September 10, 2010, 09:24:55 pm
oh heck will have to give that ago ha ha ha

comfrey also has alot of uses for horses

please can i ask for some comfrey, would i be ok to pm you?
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on September 10, 2010, 11:57:14 pm
Hi Faith.  Was that for me?  Of course you are welcome to some comfrey - I still have to dig some up for someone else anyway. pm me.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on September 11, 2010, 07:14:39 am
Mine has settled in nicely, Fleecewife  :)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: northfifeduckling on September 16, 2010, 06:49:03 pm
any Fifers wanting some, let me know. I have loads, but NOT the variety that doesn't spread (bocking 14?)... ;D :&>
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on September 17, 2010, 02:33:38 am
Hi.  It is Bocking 14 which doesn't spread, but all that means is that it doesn't spread by setting seed.  It does spread by growing from every little piece of thick stalk you bury, so be carefull only to use the leaves as a mulch or in planting holes.  I like to let mine flower for the wild bees, then use the stalks, so it's my own fault I have it growing everywhere and have to dig it up like a weed sometimes.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: suziequeue on October 23, 2010, 08:01:57 pm
When I was a junior doctor working in geriatrics we used to regularly prescribe alcoholic beverages for the inpatients.

Guinness, stout, the odd G&T. The bottom shelf of the drugs trolley used to look like an airline drinks trolley.

I used to have to write it up on the prescription chart like a medicinal drug and make sure that there were no interactions etc.

This was in the days before the research came out about moderate amounts of alcohol being cardioprotective.......

Periodically, the consultant would have an eppi and tell us to get rid of it all but it always crept back.

Ahhhh - those were the days

When we were treating patients with end-stage heart failure we used to "switch from the foxglove to the poppy" i.e. change their drugs from Digoxin to Morphine for palliative care.

Nostalgia........
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Womble on October 29, 2010, 12:30:02 pm
Apparently you need to add the comfrey leaves to your bath in order to get your virginity back but it only works for the ladies. :D

Hmmm, not sure about that one. Mind you, if you stew it for long enough, it might help you to keep your virginity in the first place I suppose!  ;D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: northfifeduckling on October 29, 2010, 02:46:26 pm
Great idea, will suggest that to my daughters, lol.  :yum: :wave: :&>
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on February 23, 2011, 04:06:07 pm
Fleecewife!

Look who I found peeking through! I'm so pleased they like Yorkshire soil.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hermit on February 23, 2011, 04:30:30 pm
Mines peeping through up here. Have now moved it from all over the garden into one spot, did not know how big the roots were so might get some still growing in the garden.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on February 23, 2011, 06:26:47 pm
Hi Mo  :wave: - wonderful !  I'm glad it's survived and likes its new home  :).  Mine isn't through quite yet.

I have now at last dug some up for Ian and Faith0504 so will be packing it up and getting it sent now or it will be in flower before it gets there  ;D

Hermit - the tiniest bit will regrow so you will probably still have it where it was - but once any little bits come through you can see where they are and dig them up while they are still small.  That will get rid of them from the old place.

 :bee: :bee: :bee: :bee: :bee:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: faith0504 on February 23, 2011, 07:03:48 pm
thank you fleecewife  :bouquet: :wave:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: knightquest on February 23, 2011, 08:14:55 pm
thank you fleecewife  :bouquet: :wave:

Ditto  :)

Ian
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: benkt on February 23, 2011, 09:29:17 pm
Do you have any more available yet fleecewife? I'm looking for some!
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on February 23, 2011, 11:54:22 pm
Do you have any more available yet fleecewife? I'm looking for some!

Masses  ;D ;D  It's just a question of getting it packed up and sent off - so far every time I have gone to do it, it has either snowed, frozen solid, or an emergency has come up.  But it's dug now so has to be sent.  Just pm me your address Benkt and I will add you to the list  :)  The more people who grow comfrey and bypass the ridiculously expensive options from plant nurseries, the better  :).
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hermit on February 24, 2011, 07:30:08 am
Same here I am waiting to pack up Sweet Sicely and Southernwood to send south to an RC mate. ::)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on February 24, 2011, 09:00:23 am
Do you have any more available yet fleecewife? I'm looking for some!

Masses  ;D ;D  It's just a question of getting it packed up and sent off - so far every time I have gone to do it, it has either snowed, frozen solid, or an emergency has come up.  But it's dug now so has to be sent.  Just pm me your address Benkt and I will add you to the list  :)  The more people who grow comfrey and bypass the ridiculously expensive options from plant nurseries, the better  :).

Well said, and thank you for your kindness.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: northfifeduckling on February 24, 2011, 09:06:48 am
I also have loads peeking out already - anyone in Fife needing any? Not bocking 14, though... :&>
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: deepinthewoods on March 01, 2011, 03:06:38 pm
a quick recipe for comfrey ointment, steep lots of ripped up leaves in warm not hot olive oil with a sprig of rosemary(for remembrance) for a gd few hrs, strain off and gently melt in sum beeswax until melted, pour into jars and allow to cool. it helps anything from cuts to burns or jut sore hands. i did a test years ago when i burnt the fingers on one hand, i treated two fingers with the comfrey and two with e45, the comfrey treated fingers healed much quicker. not scientific i know but hey it was enough for me. i also know of people who have successfully treated psoriasis and ecxzema with the same stuff. try a small area first, as with all home remedies. 
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: northfifeduckling on March 01, 2011, 03:32:09 pm
why do I seem to remember that this was made from the roots? That's why I never made it, too messy :&>
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on March 01, 2011, 03:54:06 pm
That sounds interesting - does the rosemary stop it being stinky?
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: deepinthewoods on March 01, 2011, 04:04:01 pm
ive never tried with the roots tbh, as for the smell the comfreys used fresh so smells of cucumber!, the rosemary is there to 'remind' the skin of its normally healthy state u dont need v much rosemary just a little sprig. i normally use just enough oil to cover the comfrey. my daughter made a batch of this a few yrs back when she was about seven and sold little pots at a local fair for £2 each v successfully making a profit after costs of £36 in about 2 hrs. she can be quite persuasive mind. ;)
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: knightquest on March 01, 2011, 07:08:26 pm
Thank you Juliet.  ;)  :bouquet:

Received and planted!

Ian
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hatty on March 01, 2011, 07:35:59 pm
The comfrey you need for the garden is Bocking 14 which doesn't grow from seed.  If you need root cuttings I will happily send you some if you pay the postage.  It's wonderful stuff - you make a liquid feed (your granddads tea), you can chop it and use it as a mulch, you can dig it into tomato planting holes, add it to the compost heap or use it to enrich bought growing compost.  It is also very good for sheep who like to graze the young leaves and of course the bees and other beneficial insects absolutely love the flowers.  So if you want some roots (I have masses ) please pm me.

would you send some to sunny yorkshire? :wave:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on March 02, 2011, 12:43:42 am
Of course  :)  Just pm me your address.  Or, if you are close to the A1 I could drop it off next week as I will be driving down it - by post I can only fit in fairly small plants, although they grow quickly.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Mo on March 03, 2011, 09:21:26 am
would you send some to sunny yorkshire? :wave:

It's grey and dull in my part of Yorkshire  ;)
And Fleecwife's Comfrey is thriving, she kindly sent me some last year which took well.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hatty on March 03, 2011, 01:23:33 pm
would you send some to sunny yorkshire? :wave:

It's grey and dull in my part of Yorkshire  ;)
And Fleecwife's Comfrey is thriving, she kindly sent me some last year which took well.

Depends on your outlook, could have been chuckin it down I felt sunny lol  :wave:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Beewyched on March 10, 2011, 02:41:05 pm
The comfrey you need for the garden is Bocking 14 which doesn't grow from seed.  If you need root cuttings I will happily send you some if you pay the postage.  It's wonderful stuff - you make a liquid feed (your granddads tea), you can chop it and use it as a mulch, you can dig it into tomato planting holes, add it to the compost heap or use it to enrich bought growing compost.  It is also very good for sheep who like to graze the young leaves and of course the bees and other beneficial insects absolutely love the flowers.  So if you want some roots (I have masses ) please pm me.

Hiya Fleecwife  :wave:
Would you by any chance have any of this Comfrey left - promise I'll make sure the piggies won't get to it all  ;) sounds like my bees & veggies would love it  :yum:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: oink on March 10, 2011, 03:53:40 pm
another scrounger here if you have any left.  i could post you some hatching eggs in return or I'm saving seeds this year so could give you some veg seed at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hatty on March 10, 2011, 04:44:50 pm
oh dear I really started something  ::) Comfrey planted  ;D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: northfifeduckling on March 10, 2011, 07:47:28 pm
honest, folks, there;s plenty here in fife - it does seed over the years but it still does the job  - it's free  ;D
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Fleecewife on March 11, 2011, 12:09:28 am
Hi Beewyched and oink - last two lots of comfrey will come to you, then that will be it for this season as it's starting to grow and getting too difficult to dig up..  Can you both pm me with your postal addresses please.
Oink - what eggs do you have?  I am looking for blue and dark brown layers, but not Marans as they are too like my Scots Greys.  But in fact the comfrey is free, just in return for the P&P..... :)  I just like to think of it growing all over the country.
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Hatty on March 11, 2011, 01:27:08 pm
this is interesting all about comfrey  :bouquet:

http://www.allotment.org.uk/vegetable/comfrey/comfrey.PDF (http://www.allotment.org.uk/vegetable/comfrey/comfrey.PDF)

 :wave:
Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: deepinthewoods on March 11, 2011, 01:56:55 pm
just for reference:

In his book “Comfrey, Past Present and Future” Hills listed the results of analysis of Comfrey grown at Bocking.

Comparative Nutritional Analysis of comfrey, compost and manure

Material Water % N%  P % K % C:N 
Farm Yard Manure 76.0 0.64 0.23 0.32 14:1
Wilted Russian Comfrey 75.0 0.74 0.24 1.19 9.8:1
Indoor Compost 76.0 0.50 0.27 0.81 10:1

He also made Comfrey juice by using 14lbs of comfrey leaves in a 20 gallon drum. Again the results of the analysis are shown below.

Material DM N P K
Tomorite 0.1410 0.0130 0.0139 0.0093
Comfrey 0.4090 0.0140 0.0340 0.0059

DM – dry matter, N – Nitrogen, P – Potash, K – Phosphorous

Title: Re: Comfrey
Post by: Beewyched on March 11, 2011, 04:42:10 pm
Many thanks Fleecewife - have PM'd you  :)