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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: angie on September 27, 2017, 10:54:24 pm
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Hi the calf mix that I give my girls has reduced the copper content by fifty percent,(also changed the recipe so dam refusing to eat it) What copper supplements does everyone else give their goats?
They have a salt lick, should I also give them a mineral lick, if so any recommendations on what type/brand?
Planning on getting caprivite mineral supplement from GN
They are golden Guernsey
Angie
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I use copper bolus, did a lot of research on the subject.
We also give caprivite and licks but some goats ignore the licks anyway.
They have been on bolus since May and you can see the difference in coats,hoofs
Added bonus effective in control of barge pole worms.
Recommended dose 4gram bolus for adult goat every 3 months
I use 2 gram x 2 then you can give same to kids over three months x1
Rubber tube on end of drench gun with water to administer
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Thank you both for your information and advice Scarlett Dragon and mart, very helpful.
Will get in touch with our vet for their opinion as well.
Angie
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Large areas of the UK are low in copper
(http://www.ukso.org/nsi/pics/highres/cu_hires.jpg)
You may find this useful 2nd link you can put postcode in for a better view
http://www.ukso.org/nsi/Copper.html (http://www.ukso.org/nsi/Copper.html)
http://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/ukso/home.html?layer=NSICopper (http://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/ukso/home.html?layer=NSICopper)
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Thank you mart 6 very helpful
Looking good for copper content where we are
Angie
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The map is only England and Wales....as always....
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I know this is an old post but thought I would ask where people buy their copper boluses. I will be in the UK in July and thought I would buy some for my goats as they are not available where I am (Argentina) and my goats could do with this supplement!
If I could buy online and have it delivered to my sister for when I arrive that would be ideal!
Thanks all!
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Moles ,normally have it in stock or can order it
Comes in 2 or 4 gram size
2 gram size for kids over 3 months 4 for adults, you can always give adults 2x 2 gram saves buying both
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Thank you! Do you know if moles sell the applicator gun too?
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Thank you! Do you know if moles sell the applicator gun too?
Moles sell Copinox inside the container is a rubber fitting tape it firmly on to a normal drench gun
(I use electrical tape, dont use it without tape)
Put narrow end of bolus in fitting and drench as normal
you could use water/vitamin drench or give it when you worm them.
Less problems works great
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EU copper reduction plans officially approved
The proposed changes for copper levels in animal feed have now been officially approved by the European Commission. It will come into effect on August 13, 2018.
EU Regulation 2018/1039 on copper sources for animal nutrition has been officially published in the Official Journal of the European Union on July 24. This means that the rules will come into effect on the 20th day after this publication (August 13, 2018).
The following changes will be implemented:-
The inclusion levels are determined based on complete feed with a moisture level of 12%.
Piglets: suckling and weaned up to 4 weeks after weaning: From 170 mg/ kg complete feed to 150 mg/ kg complete feed
Piglets from 5th week after weaning up to 8 weeks after weaning: From 170 mg/ kg complete feed to 100 mg/ kg complete feed
Cattle (beef and dairy cattle): from 35 mg to 30 mg/kg feed.
Cattle (beef and dairy cattle), before the start of rumination: Remained the same at 15 mg/kg feed
Other bovines: from 35 mg to 30 mg/kg feed.
Goats: from 25 mg to 35 mg/kg feed.
Sheep: from 15 mg to 15 mg/kg feed.
Crustaceans: Remained the same at 50 mg/kg feed.
Other animals: Remained the same at 25 mg/kg feed
No modification on the maximum copper contents in feed for poultry (including chickens for fattening) has been decided. The current level of 25 mg/kg feed is maintained.
Transition time built in
A transition time will be included in the new regulation, as still volumes of feed and premixes circulate in the market based on the ‘old’ inclusion levels of copper. In practice this means that copper compounds authorised by Regulation (EU) No 349/2010 and Implementing Regulations (EU) No 269/2012, (EU) No 1230/2014 and (EU) 2016/2261, and premixes containing copper, which are produced and labelled before 13 February 2019 in accordance with the rules applicable before 13 August 2018 may continue to be placed on the market and used until the existing stocks are finished.
Feed materials and compound feed for food producing animals containing copper substances or premixes with copper, which are produced and labelled before 13 August 2019 is allowed to be placed on the market and used until the existing stocks are finished. For non-food producing animals, the feed materials and compound feed that is labelled before 13 August 2020 can be used until the existing stocks are finished.
More realistic reduction
Copper is an essential trace element for all forms of life and performs several biological functions. However, high levels of copper (higher than the nutritional needs) used to be used in the past for their positive impact to help animals to cope with pathogens, in particular for young animals (piglets). These high levels of copper are nevertheless excreted by the animals and may then pose a threat for the environment. Initially the EU wanted to propose a dramatic drop in inclusion levels. FEFAC lobbied a more realistic plan, taking both the environment and animal performance and health into consideration. And that plan is now officially approved by the EU.
Read more about the road to reduction of copper in the interview All About Feed had with FEFAC Animal Nutrition Committee expert Erik Dam Jensen.
https://www.allaboutfeed.net/Feed-Additives/Articles/2018/7/EU-copper-reduction-plans-officially-approved-315600E/?cmpid=NLC|allboutfeed|2018-08-01|EU_copper_reduction_plans_officially_approved (https://www.allaboutfeed.net/Feed-Additives/Articles/2018/7/EU-copper-reduction-plans-officially-approved-315600E/?cmpid=NLC|allboutfeed|2018-08-01|EU_copper_reduction_plans_officially_approved)
Intresting that they have decided to increase copper content in goat feed
But decrease it for cattle goat keepers that feed diary nuts should take note
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That's all very interesting, thanks mart6.