The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Coffee Lounge => Topic started by: SmallWelshBarn on September 25, 2017, 08:35:51 am
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I thought I would share this little gem. I have a neighbour I don't get along with bit of an arrogant git. Recently had a call from the police as they had received a complaint about my dog and my pigs.
Partner walking dog out in local forest my lad is a 54kg Maremma and never of his leash. He does not like my neighbours dogs. The two lads not on a leash run up to him he grabs one and pins it down. Does not hurt it so much small fang mark in scruff of neck.
Dogs part words exchanged partner walking dog goes on her way. Three weeks later dick from of a neighbour bangs on door and is threatening and threatens to smash my dog over the head with a shovel if he comes near their dogs..... I am polite and say nothing too much.
Three more weeks later I receive a call from the police as he has complained about the incident with dogs ( That took place two months ago ) I explain his dogs were not in control as he forgot to mention that to the police.
He also complained that my pigs are aggressive as he walks his dogs down a foot path that runs in the middle of one of my fields !!! The pigs are the most docile friendly creatures. I asked the police man who was rather amused if there is a dangerous pigs Act lol
No further action taken.
Now I am not one to be toyed with...... His house abuts and empty vacant cottage been empty since the late 1970s The previous owner of his house `(as he is new to the area) land grabbed from the vacant cottage...... So I have tracked down the ancestors of the vacant cottage who are now registering it in their name hopefully he will loose or have to pay for the stolen garden he has built a garage on ;-)
This is a video of my aggressive pigs enjoy https://youtu.be/lsYT-1t6DPA
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I see his point. They all look so so vicious :roflanim:
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Love the video :love:
Good luck with the land steal case. They say revenge is a dish best served cold. I like to believe that what goes around comes around.
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It will be interesting to see what happens. TBH I am a firm believer that one must no piss of ones neighbours.
I got his measure when he bought his house as he had hinted that he had issues at his last place. From that point I would bite my tongue every time he pissed me of or treasspased on my land etc.
Now I have locked my gates as I have a right of way via a forestry track on to my land very hand if you have a big lorry for delivery other wise they can't get to his house as it's a super narrow single track road. Bugger him. He also has a right of access along my private lane to get to his house. The right of way does not allow for parking on my verg etc which I will now stop as he use the verg on occasion for overflow parking.
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Sadly 'land grabbing (theft)' is very common practice in England and is a very expensive thing to resolve because, unlike France where the theft is a criminal act, it is treated under civil law as a 'disagreement'. Unlikely the ancestors will wish to spend the considerable time it will take or the huge amount of money unfortunately. Problem is the current occupier can argue that the registration documentation is wrong, which it could be. If he has occupied it for more than 12 years the statute of limitations law prevents the real owner taking any action anyway and all it takes is the previous owner to say that is the case.
I think you will find trespass and rights of way are just as much a minefield SmallWelshBarn and such disputes are best avoided. Next thing he'll call the Police again with some story of intimidation and you will be the one in the wrong and getting cautioned.
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Whereas what you say is absolutely correct chrismahon and the possible cost and hassle involved is what the bullies rely on to stop honest people claiming their rights, that doesn't mean that you should necessarily be put off from standing up for yourself. The more you let people walk all over you the more power you are giving them, at your expense, and the more they will do it.
Trespass and rights of way can indeed be a minefield, but the way to avoid legal costs is to force the other party to take you to court rather than the other way round. There is nothing illegal about locking a gate on a private right of way so long as you unlock it when the other user needs access. If he then feels he has a grievance he would, as you say, have to fight the situation in the civil court, at his cost. :excited:
And as for calling the police - it's always better to get your story in first and even better if you can get a female to ring up with tales of harrassment and the viciousness of his dogs, even pig worrying - which I believe is a criminal offence.
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Unfortunately these things have a habit of becoming very bitter. I know a couple who got into a spat with their neighbour, that got steadily worse until it went to court and the couple ended up bankrupt.
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Oh when I saw the title I thought of https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=85844.0 (https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=85844.0)
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Oh when I saw the title I thought of https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=85844.0 (https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=85844.0)
:roflanim: :roflanim:
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Unfortunately these things have a habit of becoming very bitter. I know a couple who got into a spat with their neighbour, that got steadily worse until it went to court and the couple ended up bankrupt.
It's not obligatory to take things that far though! :thinking:
There are many possible grades of action between letting someone walk all over you and ending up bankrupt. :sunshine:
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Oh when I saw the title I thought of https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=85844.0 (https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=85844.0)
Thats too funny lol
As for him. Ill ignore him but won't let him take the piss out of me. His son in law is a conservative MP so I am sure he won't want won't any bad PR !!!
The land grabbed land cottage is going to be an interesting case as the property has no right of way over my private road to get to it. Its land locked and only accessible via a muddy foot path ;-)
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Unfortunately these things have a habit of becoming very bitter. I know a couple who got into a spat with their neighbour, that got steadily worse until it went to court and the couple ended up bankrupt.
It's not obligatory to take things that far though! :thinking:
There are many possible grades of action between letting someone walk all over you and ending up bankrupt. :sunshine:
I'm sure the couple I knew would agree but it happens. Once battle commences neither side usually wants to lose face by walking away.
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Some pictures of my girls.
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k562/NBeginningsFrance/IMG_5374.jpg) (http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/NBeginningsFrance/media/IMG_5374.jpg.html)
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k562/NBeginningsFrance/IMG_6141.jpg) (http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/NBeginningsFrance/media/IMG_6141.jpg.html)
The hound watching over the girls.
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k562/NBeginningsFrance/IMG_6156.jpg) (http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/NBeginningsFrance/media/IMG_6156.jpg.html)
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They're gorgeous,
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And you all look really aggressive. :farmer:
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Land grabbing
Just before anyone gets in to a major legal wrangle SWB my understanding is this. If the land in question (vacant since 1970s??) had been used by someone without secrecy, payment or permission for more than 12 years as if they owned it then legal rights to it are acquired. It MAY be that the new neighbour bought the property from your previous neighbour together with the land in dispute on the basis the previous owners has such an acquired title.
Still agree that the new neigbour sounds a d*ck.
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further to that, I think it's without secrecy, payment or permission for 20 years, rather than 12.
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It is 12 years for land theft and 20 years for establishing easements- rights to access for instance. Need to be careful about provoking legal action as, if it goes to Court and you lose you will pay all his costs as well as your own.
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wouldn't now be a good time to wonder that just maybe you live in the wrong area? ;D Nasty neighbours can be a real pain. Hope you get it sorted out soon!
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wouldn't now be a good time to wonder that just maybe you live in the wrong area? ;D Nasty neighbours can be a real pain. Hope you get it sorted out soon!
Hmm, yes, you do seem to have a lot of neighbour problems what with the Woodland Trust too
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I consider unpleasant neighbours to be rather like knowing there's a mosquito in the room: they don't stop you doing things but you can never quite forget that they're there. Tolerance of nasty ones depends on your level of patience and what other stress factors are going on in your life at the time.
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That's true, MF. The only problem is that you get into trouble if you splat them against the wall ;) .