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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: Penninehillbilly on June 28, 2017, 12:28:50 am
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Hi, I'm just wondering how you give wormer to goats. Up till now I've used a large syringe which is usually used for tubing lambs/kids. Farmer friend said the nozzle could harm goats throat.
Any thoughts please?
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Suppose it might if you pushed it down their throst too harshly.
I use one of these nozzles
http://www.coxagri.com/drenchers-vaccinators/drenchers/labelvage-dosing-nozzle- (http://www.coxagri.com/drenchers-vaccinators/drenchers/labelvage-dosing-nozzle-)
on one of these syringes
http://www.coxagri.com/drenchers-vaccinators/syringes/demaplast-syringe-luer-lock-50ml (http://www.coxagri.com/drenchers-vaccinators/syringes/demaplast-syringe-luer-lock-50ml)
if I was ordering again I'd go for a smaller syringe, 50ml is more than I need and I can't do small doses accurately enough so still use an ordinary plastic syringe for those.
I've also been given a very smart good quality metal dosing gun which is much quicker for doing lots of animals with the same dose.
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You can buy individual dosing syringes from Fearings I think, they have an interchangeable nozzle or needle set-up. 50ml, 20ml or 10 ml last time I looked. Very handy also for injection of Calciject when you have a large volume to do... you have to buy the nozzle separately.
http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/syringes/re-useable-syringe (http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/syringes/re-useable-syringe)
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You can get really cheap worming guns from China off ebay. Well worth getting the real thing as it makes life a lot easier.
Or I sometimes put the required amount of wormer in food or water. Panacur is best added to food as it isn't very palatable. But such as Ivomec is eaten/drunk quite readily. If I'm doing it this way, I usually give the required dose over 3 days.
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I usually give the required dose over 3 days.
Just thinking aloud here - I know Panacur small animal wormer needs daily doses for three days, but what about others? If the wormer is supposed to be toxic to worms, is it not important to give it in one dose?
For example, if you wanted to poison me with alcohol, a couple of bottles of whisky should do it. However, if you spread that treatment out over three days, that sounds more like a good party! ;)
BTW, for small numbers, I also use the reusable syringes (I have them in different sizes) plus a dosing nozzle. For more than about ten, it's worth setting up the proper drenching gun with the tube though. You can avoid waste by squirting the tube contents into another bottle once you're done, and saving the contents until next time :thumbsup: .
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Yes you're right in what you say Womble. However some years ago you could get Panacur worming buckets which you gave the relevant animals access to for about a month. I only ever used one once (on my sheep) as the buckets went out of favour, but it did cure a worm resistance that I had at the time. From that I concluded that hitting the worms for an extended length of time was actually more effective than a once off dose. Not very scientific, I accept, but I didn't have the facilities for a full scale double blind, peer related trial. The system worked for me, so I was happy. :thumbsup:
In addition, the safe margin for Panacur is very high. (You can look it up.) So, having read that for small animals, (and for equines) Panacur should be given over several days, I often administer it to my animals in this way also.
(This isn't an opening for another lecture on faecal egg counts and worm resistance etc :innocent: . Just bear in mind folks that this is a forum and the question asked was "How do you give wormer?" I have merely answered the question. :sunshine: )
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You can buy individual dosing syringes from Fearings I think, they have an interchangeable nozzle or needle set-up. 50ml, 20ml or 10 ml last time I looked. Very handy also for injection of Calciject when you have a large volume to do... you have to buy the nozzle separately.
http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/syringes/re-useable-syringe (http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/syringes/re-useable-syringe)
I've looked at these before, I can't seem to find the nozzles for sale?
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You can buy individual dosing syringes from Fearings I think, they have an interchangeable nozzle or needle set-up. 50ml, 20ml or 10 ml last time I looked. Very handy also for injection of Calciject when you have a large volume to do... you have to buy the nozzle separately.
http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/syringes/re-useable-syringe (http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/syringes/re-useable-syringe)
I've looked at these before, I can't seem to find the nozzles for sale?
If you scroll down in the "size" box, the last one is the nozzle, sold separately... took me a moment to remember....
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Used to use syringes but as the number of goats increases it becomes a pain
Now use a drenching gun which has a rubber attachment that comes
with copper bolus so less chance of injury.
Its great rarely need to to put it that far in throat just pull trigger and its done,
once you have tried it i doubt you would go back.
Also if you turn container up before you deliver last couple of doses then you do not have issues
with left overs in pipe.
Still syringe youngest kids
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Thanks Anke, don't know why I didn't see that.
Dogwalker, looks similar to Anke's suggestion and it looks like there is a local supplier, who we deal with so I'll pop in and see them.