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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Marches Farmer on January 09, 2017, 09:47:15 am

Title: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on January 09, 2017, 09:47:15 am
Our scanner came in on Sunday and said some of the early lambing flocks he deals with had seen some cases of Schmallenberg.  There was speculation last year that it could be circulating over the Summer but I didn't see any mention of vaccination.  Mine were done after the last outbreak (when we had one case before the vaccine became available).
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Foobar on January 09, 2017, 10:12:13 am
A local vet reported a suspected case last week (South Wales).
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on January 10, 2017, 05:21:32 pm
Oh, dear!  Something to bear in mind if you can't get the lamb out in a fairly straightforward manner.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on January 10, 2017, 11:35:37 pm
Oh no not another deadly disease, first bird flu then this :( hope it doesnt spread any further.....
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on January 11, 2017, 12:01:12 pm
The sheep would have got the disease due to a bite from a culicoides midge over last Summer.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: kanisha on January 11, 2017, 12:26:58 pm
in general sheep who are infected are asymptomatic and it is only pregnant ewes who are at risk of having a lamb affected.  I understand if memory serves me right it is primarily those who are infected in the first trimester of pregnancy. Infection at any other time of the year results in an immune sheep.

I have taken the decision for a number of reasons not to put my ewe lambs in lamb one reason  by giving them an extra tme  period to get infected they are less likely to produce schmallenberg lambs. those who farm commercially may prefer to use a vaccine.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on January 13, 2017, 03:06:36 pm
Vets warning of the disease seen in early calving and lambing in Herefordshire.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: regen on February 15, 2017, 05:14:49 pm
Apparently several cases have been confirmed in Carmarthenshire/ceredigion in the last few days but don't know any details

Regen
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on February 15, 2017, 06:35:51 pm
What are the symptoms/birth colouring/looks of the abortion/aborted animal?
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: bazzais on February 15, 2017, 07:33:34 pm
not what i wanted to see on a thread on a forum after getting in :(

fookdy fook :(
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: farmershort on February 15, 2017, 07:36:06 pm
First lambing of the season today... aborted  lambs 3 or 4 weeks early. Got me thinking about this thread.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: YorkshireLass on February 15, 2017, 07:36:24 pm
What are the symptoms/birth colouring/looks of the abortion/aborted animal?


IIRC, no real symptoms in the mother, and the youngster is sort of distorted. Legs curled tightly or curled the wrong way, face looking odd, that kind of thing. Varies a lot in severity too, so I guess could be confused with a boring old "oh that went a bit wrong" lamb. Images on Google, if you specify Schmallenburg *virus* (otherwise you get pretty pictures of a Swiss town).
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on February 16, 2017, 09:33:25 am
We had to have the vet in to a lambing the last time Schmallenberg was here.  The lamb had a twisted spine and my daughter noticed it wasn't breathing properly.  The vet euthanased it and did a PM on the spot, to find part of its lower rib cage on one side was missing.  He took the lamb away and Schmallenberg was later confirmed.   It can present in different ways but it's something to bear in mind if you have trouble getting a lamb out - if the lamb isn't the "right" shape it may be that that's causing the problem.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Hillview Farm on February 18, 2017, 08:13:18 am
I had a ewe abort two days ago and I believe it could be schmallenburg. If I get any more I will have tested. :(  I'm in Surrey
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on February 18, 2017, 08:36:02 am
Our vet said it had been occurring in pockets over Herefordshire, just depending on whether an affected cloud of midgets had been on a farm at the wrong time.  The only farm close to us that's had a couple of SBV lambs is in a sheltered valley - I'm hoping this may be one of those times we're glad to be on a windy hilltop.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: farmershort on February 27, 2017, 11:46:32 am
well - a 2nd premature aborted lamb for us this morning :( carcass is at the vets now for testing... waiting for a call back on how long that takes.

Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Backinwellies on February 27, 2017, 01:40:59 pm
where are you Farmershort?
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: farmershort on February 27, 2017, 01:43:19 pm
where are you Farmershort?

Northern end of mid devon.

I have just had a chat with the Vet though, and she thinks it's not SBV. She said it is certinly around here though.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Backinwellies on February 27, 2017, 02:40:09 pm
 :fc:
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: Marches Farmer on February 27, 2017, 04:44:45 pm
Last time around several local farmers had euthanased lambs tested but were told it wasn't SBV.  However, none of them had seen anything like those deformities before, or since.  Odd!
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: farmershort on February 27, 2017, 08:03:46 pm
Last time around several local farmers had euthanased lambs tested but were told it wasn't SBV.  However, none of them had seen anything like those deformities before, or since.  Odd!

No deformities on ours really... well... none that I could spot... but as they're so premature, I wasn't sure whether sbv will just cause abortions sometimes with no obvious deformity.

Sadly the lamb faeotus wasn't viable for testing... the buzzard got to it before me those morning and removed the organs. I managed to get some after birth material thought... the vet was very excited that she might be able to find some placenta to test.
Title: Re: Watch Out for Schmallenberg
Post by: farmershort on March 05, 2017, 03:58:50 pm
Test results back... it's toxo! :(

Nothing we can do about it now, but we'll be able to vaccinate in autumn this year, and at least we know we don't need to cull ewes.

I spoke with a neighbour farmer today, and he's had cases of toxo this year for the first time.

We certainly do have a lot of neighbourhood cats around.