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Livestock => Sheep => Primitive Sheep => Topic started by: Coximus on June 14, 2016, 02:54:00 am

Title: Soay Sheep
Post by: Coximus on June 14, 2016, 02:54:00 am
I've been offered some Soays;

They are natural shedders so I wouldnt mind having a few to play with producing cross's that shed for breeding - I have seen a few Ryeland x Soays about which shed, but grew a good winter coat..... That cross put to a tex should be a great lamb.

Asside from bringing them in with a bucket as they are aparently evil - what else do i need to know?

Can they be crossed to larger breeds safely (I have no desire to kill them!) - Im thinking Hampshire down, Charmoise and Easycare ? Possibly even a Texel - Aiming to produce a ewe that carries the shedding genes, thriftyness and tolerance for poor grazing, and smaller size.
Title: Re: Soay Sheep
Post by: fsmnutter on June 14, 2016, 06:42:37 am
Primitives have wide pelvises, so often carry a larger lamb easily enough, though it's usually recommended to use a primitive or similar for their first lambing.
Unfortunately it is not as straightforward as you suggest to breed the shedding through, we had some soay x Hebridean, which as primitive sheep as well, one might expect it to be easier to retain the shedding coat, but only a few could be rooed, with some difficulty (compared to my rather odd mule x texel who shed the last two years and the fleece rooed very easily away from the undercoat) and the rest resorted to the default of needing shorn.
By all means experiment, but don't expect all your crosses to retain the ability to shed.
Title: Re: Soay Sheep
Post by: Fieldfare on June 14, 2016, 11:21:31 am
...I have a number of Castlemilks that shed well...including a really good looking shearling ram who *completely* shed in the space of a few weeks- so the gene is there in others apart from the smallerSoays and would be possible to fix in a flock.
Title: Re: Soay Sheep
Post by: Coximus on June 19, 2016, 02:30:51 pm
I'm aware that typically only 1/4 of f1 cross will shed and about 1/2 of shedding f1 x f1 will cross but f2 shedder x f2 shedder is consistent.
I have been selecting my hebrideans for shedding and half now shed yo some extent and some are shedding fully now. Also been selecting for a better leg and faster growth.
Attached is the back end of some f3 shedder.