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Livestock => Pigs => Topic started by: mebnandtrn on January 29, 2016, 08:07:27 am
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Last year we had 3 weaners, saddleback large white cross, which we are well on our way through eating and selling. The farmer has offered us pedigree saddleback weaners and we were wondering about keeping a breeding sow, subject to cost. So a few questions. Can you keep a single sow? She will have her children with her for about 6 months of the year, but when they go to slaughter she will be alone. How much is a saddleback boar to hire, or how much (and how easy) is artificial insemination? Is there a market for saddleback weaners? Sorry for the questions and thank you for the answers.
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http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=71725.0 (http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=71725.0)
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I keep a breeding sow in this way and she is a very happy piggy. Keeping a daughter this litter but only because we want more piglets for the freezer.
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Pigs are a herd animal and should not be kept on their own. Full stop.
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Last year we had 3 weaners, saddleback large white cross, which we are well on our way through eating and selling.
Have you got a market for more? You could have 10 or more to find homes/freezers for?
The farmer has offered us pedigree saddleback weaners and we were wondering about keeping a breeding sow, subject to cost.
Are they birth notified and suitable for registration? Only the breeder can register. Not all in a litter will meet breed standards. Not birth notified can't be registered and there for not pedigree.
Can you keep a single sow? She will have her children with her for about 6 months of the year, but when they go to slaughter she will be alone.
Once weaned if a sow doesn't go back into pig you run the risk of her not breeding again so she will in fact have two litter a year. Lots more weaners or pork to shift.
How much is a saddleback boar to hire, or how much (and how easy) is artificial insemination?
Hiring a boar will vary. Contact people with boars and ask. Havn't bough semen for a while but ring and ask. AI can be difficult especially if you don't have a boar close to tease your sow and you need to know when to do it etc.
Is there a market for saddleback weaners?
There is no guaranteed market at all at the moment but depends where you are and the competition. If you can't sell them then consider what you do with them and that if you end up in a market you will almost certainly make a loss.
Not trying to put you off put do your homework as there is a big difference in keeping a couple for your freezer and breeding. If you are going to keep pedigree then learn about breed standards and remember just because the parents meet breed standard their litters will have some that wont.
Be realistic with costings.
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Pigs are a herd animal and should not be kept on their own. Full stop.
I have had sows that won't go back with another sow after farrowing. I got round it by making sure they could see another.
Horses are herd animals but a lot adjust to living by themselves just fine. As do lots of animals when circumstances change.
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I keep one sow on her own and she is happy, although I always have weaners in the pen next to her as I breed her twice a year.
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Government guidelines - not a statutory requirement but be prepared to explain yourself to Animal Health if you do something different:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/code-of-recommendations-for-the-welfare-of-livestock-pigs/pigs-welfare-recommendations (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/code-of-recommendations-for-the-welfare-of-livestock-pigs/pigs-welfare-recommendations)
Section 2.7 is relevant here:
...keep sows and gilts in groups except during the 7 days before the expected day of farrowing and the day weaning the piglets (including any fostered piglets) is complete
But you can keep sows and gilts individually if your holding has 9 or fewer sows, as long as you meet the housing requirements.
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A pig is a highly intelligent, social animal and should not be kept alone. Full stop.
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Government guidelines - not a statutory requirement but be prepared to explain yourself to Animal Health if you do something different:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/code-of-recommendations-for-the-welfare-of-livestock-pigs/pigs-welfare-recommendations (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/code-of-recommendations-for-the-welfare-of-livestock-pigs/pigs-welfare-recommendations)
Section 2.7 is relevant here:
...keep sows and gilts in groups except during the 7 days before the expected day of farrowing and the day weaning the piglets (including any fostered piglets) is complete
But you can keep sows and gilts individually if your holding has 9 or fewer sows, as long as you meet the housing requirements.
I've had Animal Health and she was quite happy about my sow on her own.
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A pig is a highly intelligent, social animal and should not be kept alone. Full stop.
So are horses.
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Totally agree with you Harmony. Horses are a great comparative example.
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Horses ain't pigs and pigs ain't horses. However high the standard of welfare I personally don't think either should be kept on their own, although I know many are. Humans are also highly intelligent, highly social animals. Question is, would you like to be kept with horses, pigs or sheep and never see or hear another human being for days, weeks or months?
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I for one am very happy just seeing my animals for days on end. I totally get your point though. I guess we each do what best suits our system and our pockets! To each their own, as long as the animals are happy, healthy and we'll taken care of!
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Horses ain't pigs and pigs ain't horses. However high the standard of welfare I personally don't think either should be kept on their own, although I know many are. Humans are also highly intelligent, highly social animals. Question is, would you like to be kept with horses, pigs or sheep and never see or hear another human being for days, weeks or months?
Depends on my mood!
The one thing I can say for certain is that I am a human and that is the way I think. Over the years I have gained an insight into how I think other animals think but actually none of us can say for certain that we know just how an animal thinks at all so a comparison between humans and animals isn't always the answer.
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Horses ain't pigs and pigs ain't horses. However high the standard of welfare I personally don't think either should be kept on their own, although I know many are. Humans are also highly intelligent, highly social animals. Question is, would you like to be kept with horses, pigs or sheep and never see or hear another human being for days, weeks or months?
Oh, yes please!!!!
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I've stuck with wearers as much as anything because keeping one sow I can get my head round but two gives a lot of extra pig to feed or too many piglets. There is a trend round here even at livery yards for horses to be individually turned out with electric wire between them they always seem to stand in the plot hardly moving and look miserable. My horse runs with 4 others in a permanent herd and it may be anthropomorphic but seems a lot happy for it. Having said that 2 horses always means over dependency/ separation anxiety 3 is a lot easier to keep as a rule than 2. And of course 4 means you can take 2 out and still have a pair.
So I've stuck with wearers as it won't be 1 or 2 or 3 but 4 or more.
Now cats...that is a species that loves to be alone. If only pigs were cats. But with less fur of course.
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Now cats...that is a species that loves to be alone. If only pigs were cats. But with less fur of course.
Yes but that's one hell of a cat flap!
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If I tried to seperate my sows they would move hell an high water to get back together not much would stop them.
The answer I think to your question
Can a sow be kept on her own - yes - will she be the happiest pig - no
Only other option is maybe keep a couple of her daughters while she's in dirt the boar seperate them an when boar goes home put them 2 back in by the time she farrows them 2 gilts will be fat an ready to eat
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I will say this. If you are going to start breeding make sure you have a market for the piglets and/or meat. A lot of people have found out that pigs are expensive eating machines and the market is flooded with cheap ones that are not easy to sell for a decent price.
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I have to agree with Marches Farmer & Hughsey, too many people think they'll keep a sow and then she has a litter of 16 piglets and what u gonna do with 'em all!?
See http://www.gospbc.co.uk/so-you-want-to-keep-pigs-part-5/ (http://www.gospbc.co.uk/so-you-want-to-keep-pigs-part-5/)
Do some serious thinking is all I ask. Better to support a local breeder by buying weaners than doing it yourself if you only want a some pork for the freezer. Weaners only sell for £25-45 if your're lucky some went for a fiver the other day in the mart >:( they don't go for puppy prices!!!
Best Mandy :pig: