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Smallholding => Buildings & planning => Topic started by: mart6 on November 18, 2015, 03:50:03 pm
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Would you class this as a field shelter
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Yes, mobile, very clever!
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Yes, mobile, very clever!
Guy on ebay selling them £3k, but been offered insulated 40ft container for £1100 and was going to convert it myself and use half of another as hay store.
Thought its a good idea myself
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In short - no.
And any planner with a rod in his bum would say the same.
Wing it for a biscuit. Lovely setup.
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For a start is has stable doors and will not be classed as a shelter - but as a pony barn.?
Just dont ask first - do it.
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For a start is has stable doors and will not be classed as a shelter - but as a pony barn.?
Just dont ask first - do it.
For goats and they need a door to keep draught and foxes out , can even go badger and tb route
Everyone i know has doors on movable field shelters as long as they move council seem to overlook it, having said that only takes one
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It matters not that it has doors ,windows fitted bathroom or full on steam room .What matters is that it's mobile and a shipping container is definitely mobile ...
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Mobile? Didn't you see the Grand Designs programme where an Irish chap made a home out of two of them? One balanced at right angles on top of the other. Needed a mahoosive crane to move them !
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It might be moveable, but will it be mobile?
I'm assuming it is not intended to move the container periodically; in which case planners will almost consider it to be a fixed structure even if it is theoretically moveable. (I believe planners are increasingly defining "mobile" as something that is actually moved every 30 days or so, but don't quote me on that.)
It might be permissible under permitted development rights (depending on your circumstances). If not and you take the risk, be prepared for planning officer knocking on your door if anyone should ever complain about the container. You should not assume, automatically, that a theoretically moveable structure is beyond planning approval requirements. Hope all goes well for you whatever route you choose.
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You'll find that planning officers will look at the structure to see if it was designed to be mobile in it's own right i.e is it on skids or wheels? If it needs to be loaded onto a vehicle to move it then it's not considered to be 'mobile'.
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You'll find that planning officers will look at the structure to see if it was designed to be mobile in it's own right i.e is it on skids or wheels? If it needs to be loaded onto a vehicle to move it then it's not considered to be 'mobile'.
Mate had a large field shelter and i mean large , not something i would of called mobile all he did was lift it place round fence posts under it and pulled it to new position.
Would imagine it would be easy to do with a strong/rigid container even a 40 foot one.
Could still be moved with fork lift/crane so it would not need to be loaded on to anything
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Who is the bloke selling them on ebay?
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Who is the bloke selling them on ebay?
He as updated ad to make a offer
Here is the link
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/insulated-stable-block-calf-rearing-blocks-sheep-housing-pig-housing-horses-/151928709770? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/insulated-stable-block-calf-rearing-blocks-sheep-housing-pig-housing-horses-/151928709770?)
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For a start is has stable doors and will not be classed as a shelter - but as a pony barn.?
Just dont ask first - do it.
Have to say after working my way through 1500+ enforcement notice appeals, its a bag of nails.
Anyone that has a field shelter would be advised to move it at least every 10 months and take dated photos and videos.
Seen a couple of appeals where mobile shelters have been classed as buildings.
One stood out, was big mobile shelter on metal skids with towing eyes -20 foot x 12 guy had photos even video of it being moved.
But council had evidence that it had not been moved in a year , so planning inspector classed it as a building that needed planning permission.
Even said it was anchord to the floor with its own weight >:(
Some councils are ruthless and some inspectors differ on opinions
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We have small decking areas to put our yurts on in the summer - it a licensed campsite field.
We take our yurts down out of holiday season (cos they would blow away) - council said the bases were a permanent structure.
Its like - its a bit of wood mate - what do you want me to do 'take the screws out, call it a pile of wood, leave it there in a hedge till next year, screw it back together?'
Na - actually sir they are areas for feeding lambs - we put the creep feeders on top and it stops them getting muddy feet ;)
I wish they would make planning law a little bit more uniform and accessible, but I spose certain places and spaces require slightly different ideas.
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I've had two 12ft x 12ft stables on my land for 2 years without moving them and the Council havent said anything?
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bazzais
Think its a great idea myself hope you have continued success. Licensed camp site must work in favor ?
After couple of planning decisions i have read anyone contemplating putting one up should take it down for several months a year to be on safe side and always keep photo/video proof.
Council around here have a pop at anything and enforcement officer does not tell the facts if it spoils his case.
The thing about planning contraventions is the Council can accuse you of something and the onus is on the appellant to prove its wrong or did not happen.
How many people keep evidence of something that is a everyday occurrence
Since events in the past i photograph and video everything you never know what may come in handy a few years down the line.
Such evidence paid dividends in a three year battle with Tescos a few years ago
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I've had two 12ft x 12ft stables on my land for 2 years without moving them and the Council havent said anything?
Some councils are great, some are ruthless
Think main problems arise from neighbors or busy body on the local parish councils
If i was you i would check to see if i have any photos from when they were first put up.
Take a couple of photos every year after 4 years they will be immune from enforcement anyway and classed as a permanent building.
Be careful if you add any more as it may draw someones attention to them and bear in mind you can repair them but if you replace them they loose the immunity and will need planning permission